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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, legally it's a little floppy because essentially you have to draw a line and there's a window in which it's reasonable to draw that line and so other places take varying positions within that window. It's statistics, nothing more.
    It's not even that. There really is no science behind it. If there was we would test you and some 12-year-olds would pass and many 22-year-olds wouldn't. The actually science, and there isn't that much, says an adult woman is roughly 26, and an adult man is just under 29.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In some situations, namely if they are acting against the rights of others.
    Which is what the laws being in this thread are based on.

    Thanks for demonstrating how these laws are proper

    Of course, we do have classes of people such as the mentally handicapped which are never legally dealt with as being an individual all to themselves, but perpetual children as they cannot understand the ramifications of their actions. And in that case extra force is applied for their wellbeing as they cannot determine it themselves.
    And the laws being discussed in this thread are based on well being.

    Thanks for demonstrating how these laws are proper

    I think I do quite well, thank you very much. The question is not if I shall understand, but rather if you shall understand.
    Obviously, you don't
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is, but they cannot engage in contract yet
    What libertarian principle forbids them from engaging in contracts?


    They cannot give consent as they do not understand what they are consenting too. This is based on biology.
    So you believe that libertarianism allows the State to limit the ability of people to enter into contracts if they can not understand the ramifications of their actions?

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Justice is rooted in morality. This is fact. There is no "perchance" about that.
    No, justice often relates to proper action of government were as morality is personal belief in right and wrong.

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    Oh, so now people can be forced to do things because it benefits the State? How quickly you abandon your foolish principles when they prove inconvenient
    Actually it's for the betterment of the child and the People on whole. An educated populace is a DETRIMENT to the State. It does not serve the State to have fully educated and thinking individuals. A select group that can be controlled? Sure, but the whole lot? No. I'd give education past undergrad to everyone if possible. Education is actually a check on the State itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And an argument can be made that in many cases being forced to go to schools is not in the childs best interest. Who gets to decide if something is in the childs best interest? The State? The parents? Or the child?
    Data and statistics bear out the truth.

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    And what libertarian principle supports your answer?
    Proper and necessary limitation of government force.

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    The public accommodation is a legal entity distinct from the individual. Ignoring this fact does not make it go away.
    And pretending that there is no individual does not make him go away. Everything you're doing is to remove the human element; but it's there even if you want to pretend otherwise.





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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lots of people make me feel icky, but I'll allow them their freedom so long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others in the process.
    So you believe that children can model for porn

    Thanks again for demonstrating how irrational libertarianism is and why mankind has always rejected libertarianism
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm likely going to be a little bit more lenient on others and in theory would allow it with the understanding that in practice maybe not given the abuse of such which could undergo such a system and lead to direct harm against the child. Fundamentally I wouldn't like it, and wouldn't consume from there, but I would probably allow it given no other violation of life, liberty or property.
    Okay, so now I want to see how far out the harm goes. If I wish to use my property for a toxic waste dump, and there is no one around for 100 miles, I own all of it, am I good to do so without restriction? Am I good if my containment is good for 100 years but after that we're not sure?

    And let's say that I really hate to spank my kids but they are rotten kids. Can I hire someone to do that for me? Can I film that and make a buck or two off of it? It's not sex after all right?

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What libertarian principle forbids them from engaging in contracts?
    The lack of capability to understand the actions within. It's biology. You can rail against it all you want, but it's not going to change.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you believe that libertarianism allows the State to limit the ability of people to enter into contracts if they can not understand the ramifications of their actions?

    The State does and can, in order to protect the higher rights of life and liberty. You'll nary find a libertarian who would claim an infant can enter into contract; perhaps we're just more well versed in science than you.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Okay, so now I want to see how far out the harm goes. If I wish to use my property for a toxic waste dump, and there is no one around for 100 miles, I own all of it, am I good to do so without restriction? Am I good if my containment is good for 100 years but after that we're not sure?

    And let's say that I really hate to spank my kids but they are rotten kids. Can I hire some one to do that for me? Can I film that and make a buck or two off of it? It's not sex after all right?
    Actually, libertarianism lines up with environmentalism rather well. So it would really depend on all the conditions of your nuclear dump.

    Can you hire someone to spank your kid? Sure, give all the previously stated restriction to such act. I'm not sure who would buy such a tape, but perhaps the sale of such can be considered.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There is, population control for one. Just because you choose not to see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    Such a limited mind the anti-SSM crowd have.
    Really?

    So then when did this occur? What was the world population when this adaptation took place. Feel free to include all your research.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) that fine but be clear theres very little OPINION i actually stated in my post, most of it is fact
    2.) well this is false, it depends on whether the discrimination you practice is legal or illegal and if theres evidence proving it.
    3.) i wouldnt do any of this if your actually broke the law and i knew it id simply press charges
    4.) theres no law that can stop anything so thats just obvious
    5.) i agree this is what the SMART business owner does, and i have no problem with it just dont get caught.
    6.) doesnt really matter what you hate its just like everything else, as long as you dont get caught breaking the law then you are find, If you break the law i dont care about your blood sweat and tears, you pay the price of breaking the law.
    7.) seems you have social issue
    8.) nope not at all what i think is you cant get caught breaking the law, thats what i think. See i knew right away one you started talking about opinions that you assumed alot in your head that was never said
    9.) i dont care either and as long as you dont get caught you are good if you do you might not have anything to run and that wont bother me one bit, in fact id find it entertaining
    10.) nope you are still playing by the rules everybody plys by. If you want to think your not and that makes you feel better fine but the fact is you are not playing buy your rules. You already admitted that. You admit that you lie and make up excuses not to serve or do business with people you dont want, which is fine but thats playing by the rules. You make those excuses to follow the rules, you do it to pay by the rules,not your own sorry to burst your bubble..
    11.) well sorry but facts court cases , rights, laws and ordinances all disagree with you and prove you wrong.

    im glad you got your rant out, hopefully you dindt punch the keyboard to many times, BUT it changed nothing i said and im happy to clear up your mistakes.

    Im fine with you doing what you are doing because you are playing by the rules, hopefully for you if you are doing illegal discrimination you dont get caught or you'll see and you'll learn who the real boss is, it aint you. Good luck.
    Excuse are telling me as I just believe you did, that I can discriminate but don't get caught? Yes that makes sense. And you are ok with that. What a hypocrite. In order for me to preserve my freedom of association I have to temporarily suspend my freedom of speech. That makes a lot of sense. Really it does. Especially in a free country.

    All of those laws and ordinances are unconstitutional. The judges who ruled that they were constitutional, are twits and flat wrong. The Constitution is VERY clear on this.

    I would prefer not lie. But twits like you push me into that corner so I have to get an attorney and make sure to phase my rejections properly so as not to "appear" discriminatory. That's just sad I have to do that to begin with. I would prefer to just say "I don't like you, now get the **** out." That way we both know were we stand. You push rules that are worthless in all but the most blatant cases. That's persecution via the law over a perceived slight. That is all that is. You can say its about preventing discrimination when all you really are doing is restricting speech and taking revenge for some slight. Last I checked there is no right to not be butt hurt over a perceived slight. How about this, you think the racial groups like say La Raza would be upset if I sued THEM so I could be apart of their racial organization, even though it is blatantly discriminatory one? How about I sue the Black Panthers, think they would enjoy having a white brother amongst themselves? You know what's good for the goose is good for the gander. How about I sue and claim discrimination at the big ag farms and brokerage houses because they will only hire Hispanic trucking firms.

    By the way discrimination is NOT a crime, it is a civil matter determined by civil litigation. You CANT press charges. Pray it NEVER becomes a crime. As the Chinese like to say be careful what you wish for.

    I believe in freedom. What you believe in is the absolute antithesis of that. We are destined to disagree vigorously.
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