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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

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    Why not? It's their own property, no?
    It is, but they cannot engage in contract yet

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    What if the child consents?
    They cannot give consent as they do not understand what they are consenting too. This is based on biology.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Ikari believes the govt should not use force to stop individuals from doing what they want as long as they are not infringing on anyone else's right (or making Ikari feel icky)
    Lots of people make me feel icky, but I'll allow them their freedom so long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others in the process.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not if it's shown to be detrimental to the child. I don't even agree with parents allowing their kids to die when simple medicine can save them just because they think their god will save their kid in the end.

    But as I said, so long as that one is allowed to exist, all other infringements are pretty well below that.
    Okay, so let's take the potential bodily part out of it. Now if I require my child to sell the "insert product" I whip up at home after school, but not too late at night or in a dangerous place, and I spank them if they refuse, is that all good?

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    The last part is what I'm interested in. His ideology does seem to have some funny limitations on it.
    Not limitations

    It's simply "I'll adhere to libertarianism when it's convenient, and ignore it when it's not"

    There's no limits when you're willing to abandon your principles whenever they are inconvenient
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is, but they cannot engage in contract yet



    They cannot give consent as they do not understand what they are consenting too. This is based on biology.
    Actually it's really not. If it was 18 would still be a minor but we have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere and that's where it is currently.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Okay, so let's take the potential bodily part out of it. Now if I require my child to sell the "insert product" I whip up at home after school, but not too late at night or in a dangerous place, and I spank them if they refuse, is that all good?
    Likely yes. So long as the spanking is actually a spanking and not full on assault.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Actually it's really not. If it was 18 would still be a minor but we have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere and that's where it is currently.
    Yeah, legally it's a little floppy because essentially you have to draw a line and there's a window in which it's reasonable to draw that line and so other places take varying positions within that window. It's statistics, nothing more.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Likely yes. So long as the spanking is actually a spanking and not full on assault.
    Just a plain old spanking. Now, what if my product is drugs, or porno, or adult toys? Still okay?

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Perchance, if you want to start talking of metaphysics on morality and justice there is a bit of overlap. But they're not really the same thing.
    Justice is rooted in morality. This is fact. There is no "perchance" about that.

    A free Republic requires an educated populace and education serves the betterment of the child; it's not really the same thing as allowing them to die or selling them off to prostitution.
    Oh, so now people can be forced to do things because it benefits the State? How quickly you abandon your foolish principles when they prove inconvenient

    And an argument can be made that in many cases being forced to go to schools is not in the childs best interest. Who gets to decide if something is in the childs best interest? The State? The parents? Or the child?

    And what libertarian principle supports your answer?


    Property is never an individual, who would think otherwise? An individual owns the property in the case of private business and its HIS rights and liberties and property you must be concerned about. Not the rights of inanimate objects which innately have no rights. It's entirely absurd to argue otherwise.
    The public accommodation is a legal entity distinct from the individual. Ignoring this fact does not make it go away.



    The bakery is private business and private property.
    It is also a public accommodation. Ignoring facts does not make them go away
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Just a plain old spanking. Now, what if my product is drugs, or porno, or adult toys? Still okay?
    I'm likely going to be a little bit more lenient on others and in theory would allow it with the understanding that in practice maybe not given the abuse of such which could undergo such a system and lead to direct harm against the child. Fundamentally I wouldn't like it, and wouldn't consume from there, but I would probably allow it given no other violation of life, liberty or property.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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