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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A child cannot cede their own body away, and thus it's innately an act against an non-consenting party. That's infringement upon property.
    Is it an infringement when we make them take a bath, or get a shot? How about when we spank them? My bet is the child would not consent to that but we don't ask them now do we? In that respect, they are property, our property and that we are responsible and pay the bills for.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't say anything to that point. Please read because your outbursts are starting to grow increasingly irrational. I said an individual of age can consent to his own will and a parent cannot force action. One who has legally emancipated himself from his parents is equally free of their direct control.
    So you're sticking to the claim that parents can't force their children to go to school.

    I thank you for demonstrating how irrational libertarianism is by explaining how it doesn't allow parents to force their children to get an education
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Ikari believes the govt should not use force to stop individuals from doing what they want as long as they are not infringing on anyone else's right (or making Ikari feel icky)
    The last part is what I'm interested in. His ideology does seem to have some funny limitations on it.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    After becoming an adult or legally the same thing he meant to say.
    SO you think Ikari is saying that parents can force their minor children to go to school?

    Well, there goes the libertarian "the use of force against another person who is not infringing on anyone rights is wrong" argument. It gets thrown under the bus where it belongs
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because kids do not fully understand the ramifications of action and psychological and physical damage can run deep. It takes awhile for humans to develop and in those early stages their rights are protected by others by necessity of biology.
    So you do know better then? Even if the parents and child consent you won't allow it?

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Using the words "proper" and "justice" in place of the word "right" does not hide the fact that you are using a moral argument.

    Justice - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Perchance, if you want to start talking of metaphysics on morality and justice there is a bit of overlap. But they're not really the same thing.
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    No, it is impractical and dangerous to do otherwise, as your belief that parents should be able to force their children to go to school demonstrates
    A free Republic requires an educated populace and education serves the betterment of the child; it's not really the same thing as allowing them to die or selling them off to prostitution.
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    But it's not an individual
    Property is never an individual, who would think otherwise? An individual owns the property in the case of private business and its HIS rights and liberties and property you must be concerned about. Not the rights of inanimate objects which innately have no rights. It's entirely absurd to argue otherwise.

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    They are both public accommodations as is that local bakery
    The bakery is private business and private property.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because kids do not fully understand the ramifications of action and psychological and physical damage can run deep. It takes awhile for humans to develop and in those early stages their rights are protected by others by necessity of biology.
    So when people don't understand the ramifications of their actions and the harm it causes, it's OK to use force against them

    Hmmmm, wonder if you'll ever understand the ramifications of that and how it applies here
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    So you do know better then? Even if the parents and child consent you won't allow it?
    Not if it's shown to be detrimental to the child. I don't even agree with parents allowing their kids to die when simple medicine can save them just because they think their god will save their kid in the end.

    But as I said, so long as that one is allowed to exist, all other infringements are pretty well below that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A child cannot cede their own body away,
    Why not? It's their own property, no?

    and thus it's innately an act against an non-consenting party. That's infringement upon property.
    What if the child consents?
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So when people don't understand the ramifications of their actions and the harm it causes, it's OK to use force against them
    In some situations, namely if they are acting against the rights of others. Of course, we do have classes of people such as the mentally handicapped which are never legally dealt with as being an individual all to themselves, but perpetual children as they cannot understand the ramifications of their actions. And in that case extra force is applied for their wellbeing as they cannot determine it themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Hmmmm, wonder if you'll ever understand the ramifications of that and how it applies here
    I think I do quite well, thank you very much. The question is not if I shall understand, but rather if you shall understand.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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