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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    LOL! So when you said it was not "just", it had nothing to do with morality!!
    It's more related to the proper use of government force than personal morality. Many times I am morally opposed to what people do, yet I do not believe that entitles me to use government force against their act. My sense of morality and justice are separated.

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    Yes, that would be morally wrong!
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    Corporations and publicly traded companies are not quite private, not quite public; and were not the subject of consideration. What is the subject of consideration is a local bakery refusing to make a cake for a same sex couple. In this case, they should be free to do so as it is their business and it's only a cake.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    How so? What Ikari wrote is correct. A child 'of age or legally emancipated' is an adult and can, therefore, be forced to do almost nothing by his/her parents.
    No, he said that no child can be forced to go to school.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In many cases you could be. In the case of child prostitution, likely not as a child has no understanding of what they are giving away and child prostitution only serves to harm the child's life, liberty, AND property; so you hit all three. Unless there is medical reason to believe that the child will die less a prostitute. If you can prove that, we may have reason for debate.

    But it's also arbitrary since we allow people to kill their children for religious beliefs. With that one still active, there's not really any moral grounds for what you're trying to propose here.
    Define "harm"? They are making money and it's not like kids don't have sex. What's the problem? Sounds rather Big Brother Morality Police State to me? After all, do you know better than the parents and the children? Does society? It sounds like a private and freely made business arrangement to me? Why all the push-back?

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    6yo's can't legally emancipate themselves.

    But again, I thank you for demonstrating how irrational libertarianism is by explaining how it doesn't allow parents to force their children to get an education
    I didn't say anything to that point. Please read because your outbursts are starting to grow increasingly irrational. I said an individual of age can consent to his own will and a parent cannot force action. One who has legally emancipated himself from his parents is equally free of their direct control.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, he said that no child can be forced to go to school.
    After becoming an adult or legally the same thing he meant to say.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In many cases you could be. In the case of child prostitution, likely not as a child has no understanding of what they are giving away and child prostitution only serves to harm the child's life, liberty, AND property; so you hit all three. Unless there is medical reason to believe that the child will die less a prostitute. If you can prove that, we may have reason for debate.

    But it's also arbitrary since we allow people to kill their children for religious beliefs. With that one still active, there's not really any moral grounds for what you're trying to propose here.
    How does prostitution harm the child's property?
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Define "harm"? They are making money and it's not like kids don't have sex. What's the problem? Sounds rather Big Brother Morality Police State to me? After all, do you know better than the parents and the children? Does society? It sounds like a private and freely made business arrangement to me? Why all the push-back?
    Because kids do not fully understand the ramifications of action and psychological and physical damage can run deep. It takes awhile for humans to develop and in those early stages their rights are protected by others by necessity of biology.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    How does prostitution harm the child's property?
    A child cannot cede their own body away, and thus it's innately an act against an non-consenting party. That's infringement upon property.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's more related to the proper use of government force than personal morality. Many times I am morally opposed to what people do, yet I do not believe that entitles me to use government force against their act. My sense of morality and justice are separated.
    Using the words "proper" and "justice" in place of the word "right" does not hide the fact that you are using a moral argument.

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    No, it's just impractical and dangerous given the competing moralities.
    No, it is impractical and dangerous to do otherwise, as your belief that parents should be able to force their children to go to school demonstrates





    Private business is private property
    But it's not an individual.


    Corporations and publicly traded companies are not quite private, not quite public; and were not the subject of consideration. What is the subject of consideration is a local bakery refusing to make a cake for a same sex couple. In this case, they should be free to do so as it is their business and it's only a cake.
    They are both public accommodations as is that local bakery
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Define "harm"? They are making money and it's not like kids don't have sex. What's the problem? Sounds rather Big Brother Morality Police State to me? After all, do you know better than the parents and the children? Does society? It sounds like a private and freely made business arrangement to me? Why all the push-back?
    Ikari believes the govt should not use force to stop individuals from doing what they want as long as they are not infringing on anyone else's right (or making Ikari feel icky)
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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