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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I know what the law says, and so do you. But you are arguing that the law is wrong.

    Dodging the question won't make it go away. Under your delusional libertarian scheme, can parents enter into contracts on behalf of their children? Yes or no?
    Of course they can. But as guarantors or guardians of that childs rights, they may not enter into contracts that violate the rights they are obligated to defend.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I did address it, appeal to authority is logical fallacy.
    That is a fallacy, but I didn't use it. I don't do fallacies.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't say morally right.
    You didn't?

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    You most certainly can have constructed laws and use the guns of government to force your way, but that doesn't mean it's right nor does it mean you aren't forcing the individual to cede right to property for your moral crusade.

    But the government is restricted in how it may act against our rights and must demonstrate necessity. I'm not using a gun in this case, I am in fact taking the guns away and saying a man is free to sell his wears and you are free to not buy it. That's not a forced situation.
    The govt has demonstrated the necessity (ie thegovernmental interest it has in prohibiting public accommodations from refusing service because someone is a member of a protected class)

    Again, please stay away from the absurd, it makes your arguments look pathetic.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    That is a fallacy, but I didn't use it. I don't do fallacies.
    You did when you appealed to law on no other level than the fact that it's law. That is appeal to authority, and that is logical fallacy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I did address it, appeal to authority is logical fallacy.
    Both ToL and I have pointed to the way you dodged the question. I'll ask again:

    Do parents have the right to enter into contracts on behalf of their children? Yes or no?
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    I want to know how fake child porn fits into Ikari's position. Do those laws protect life or property? Or are they immoral laws.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You did when you appealed to law on no other level than the fact that it's law. That is appeal to authority, and that is logical fallacy.
    No, I said the laws were sound. That is based on reasoning. Your views of these laws are based on ideology. I'll stick with the real world.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    No one forced the baker to put a FOR SALE sign on his "property"

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You didn't?
    Indeed, a law being a law does not make it just.

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    The govt has demonstrated the necessity (ie thegovernmental interest it has in prohibiting public accommodations from refusing service because someone is a member of a protected class)

    Again, please stay away from the absurd, it makes your arguments look pathetic.
    The government has not demonstrated the necessity to hold a gun to ones head and force them to deliver property unto whom they claim it should be delivered unto. Nothing I wrote was beyond level nor absurd, so trying to turn that around only makes your arguments look even more pathetic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm arguing that the law is not always right, that relying solely on that argument isn't a sound argument in the least.

    There are certain contracts allowed to be enacted on behalf of children which oft revolve around right to life. But others are restricted, for instance you may not sell your child into slavery as that is against their life and property rights. A parent is given leeway to aid, and in some historical situations (such as those Christian "Scientists" folk, who I don't feel should be allowed to use scientist in their names) to harm, the rights of the child.
    So with your explanation, a parent could not send their child to a private school or even send them to a public school because those neither protect their lives nor their property.

    Also, what about parents consenting, on behalf of their children, to a risky medical procedure that might kill the child, has no guarantee of success, but the child will certainly die without it?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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