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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong again

    A private business is a legal entity that is distinct from its' owner.

    And people can also murder each other unless people use force to stop them. What people can do, and what is legal to do are two very different matters.
    I know, I'm talking about the theory of using government force to endorse personal morality, which is what you're doing. And it goes against fundamentals, which I have laid out. You most certainly can have constructed laws and use the guns of government to force your way, but that doesn't mean it's right nor does it mean you aren't forcing the individual to cede right to property for your moral crusade.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    1.)But it's not as no man has right to another man's property
    2.)Emergency care relates directly to life, which is a right. Denying that can in fact infringe upon the rights of another, it's not mere refusal of property.
    3.)Government force against one's property. You have no right to hold a gun to another and demand service. Which is what you're doing.



    Maybe it could happen, probably shouldn't be driving around without some sugar because if you had that diabetic reaction while behind the wheel you have just endangered the lives of countless individuals. I'd suggest the priest not be so selfish.
    1.) thats a reframe the courts are protecting others rights not to be discriminated against, you can have the opinion they have it wrong and thats cool by me but i side with the courts and dissgaree in this situation of public access business.

    in others areas youd have my full support though
    2.) what if its not life? what if its just a broken arm or leg or burn.
    3.) see 1 i dont view that way and neither do the courts. People know the rules of public access business BEFORE they go into the business they arent forced

    4.) lol thats funny but millions have sugar and drive and its not selfish. also ignore if its just switched to a pharmacists etc

    you didnt answer the question, is that what you want to empower, not support of course but empower
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Just out of curiosity, if this is your argument, would you agree, then, that the public could decide not to grant corporate charters to organizations that engage in socially-destructive bigotry, leaving proprietorship -- which are the property of an individual -- free to so engage?
    The public has ultimate say in what businesses operate through the use of intelligent consumerism. That's not government force, that's just informed buying.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Does the public pay the property taxes? Did public buy the building? Did public buy the supplies for sale?

    It's not public accommodation without. Trying to change the definition of private property does not make it go away. You steal from a man, you are a thief; that's all there is to it. You put a gun to a man's head, and you're the initiator of force. That's all there is to it. You merely endorse the use of force against a man's right to property, that's all there is to it. No amount of window dressings is going to make it any different.
    You obviously do not understand what the term "public accommodation" means.

    A private business is not a person. Trying to change the definition of "private business" does not make the real definition go away.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know, I'm talking about the theory of using government force to endorse personal morality, which is what you're doing. And it goes against fundamentals, which I have laid out. You most certainly can have constructed laws and use the guns of government to force your way, but that doesn't mean it's right nor does it mean you aren't forcing the individual to cede right to property for your moral crusade.
    No, you are talking about the libertarian fantasy which has no basis in reality. Your "fundamentals" are just more fantasy

    What you think is right is just your opinion, and like ass holes, everyone has an opinion.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know, I'm talking about the theory of using government force to endorse personal morality, which is what you're doing. And it goes against fundamentals, which I have laid out. You most certainly can have constructed laws and use the guns of government to force your way, but that doesn't mean it's right nor does it mean you aren't forcing the individual to cede right to property for your moral crusade.
    Government force to endorse personal morality is necessary, for example: rape laws. When it comes to personal property, the government should investigate such (and even seize such) in the interest of personal morality, for example: computers and child porn laws.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) thats a reframe the courts are protecting others rights not to be discriminated against, you can have the opinion they have it wrong and thats cool by me but i side with the courts and dissgaree in this situation of public access business.

    in others areas youd have my full support though
    2.) what if its not life? what if its just a broken arm or leg or burn.
    3.) see 1 i dont view that way and neither do the courts. People know the rules of public access business BEFORE they go into the business they arent forced

    4.) lol thats funny but millions have sugar and drive and its not selfish. also ignore if its just switched to a pharmacists etc

    you didnt answer the question, is that what you want to empower, not support of course but empower
    I think that what you laid out is a very rare occurrence and if people employ intelligent consumerism wouldn't happen. But as murder is a possible outcome of gun rights, this too may be an outcome of property rights. Though it could very easily be made against the law to not render medical aid when medical aid is needed, as that would infringe upon one's right to life. Not that it would help the police. Now if your gay groom was diabetic and needed the cake to live, perhaps we could talk about higher moral ramifications; but I think you know that wasn't the case.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Government force to endorse personal morality is necessary, for example: rape laws. When it comes to personal property, the government should investigate such (and even seize such) in the interest of personal morality, for example: computers and child porn laws.
    Rape is not a morality law, it's a property and life defense.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The public has ultimate say in what businesses operate through the use of intelligent consumerism. That's not government force, that's just informed buying.
    The govt also has a say in how businesses operate through the use of this think we call "the law".
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Does the public pay the property taxes? Did public buy the building? Did public buy the supplies for sale?

    It's not public accommodation without. Trying to change the definition of private property does not make it go away. You steal from a man, you are a thief; that's all there is to it. You put a gun to a man's head, and you're the initiator of force. That's all there is to it. You merely endorse the use of force against a man's right to property, that's all there is to it. No amount of window dressings is going to make it any different.
    You seem to be having an issue with a very well-established feature of Modern America. I can own a gas station as long as I follow the law. One of those laws is I don't get to put up a sign that says "No Jews". That's all, and it's a reasonable limitation on my Property Rights. I can't just bury my old tires and used oil either. There are rules, like it or not.

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