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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    BS

    The US sold botulism for the vaccination of cattle (in proper quantity for the number of cattle). If the West had not done so, many would have starved. Saddam weaponized it and let his people starve.
    OMG. I've seen multiple people on this board prove you wrong on that, and your still peddling it. I'm not wasting my time posting the evidence for the umpteenth time, see ya Eco.

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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    because it's a finite resource, it's fungible, and it's going to run out no matter how much we drill. it needs to be replaced. the fight for diminishing resources has the potential to be catastrophic.
    Well, I won't contemplate the "peak oil myth" conspiracy here, but just suffice to say, that we could become regional independent for petroleum products and the despots, and global trash that make money off of us, while they cry how unjust we are would, and could eat sand for all I care.

    Cuba is a dictatorship.
    uh huh....And your point?

    every other first world democracy has a system in which citizens aren't one serious illness or injury away from bankruptcy at any given time. meanwhile, we are the pro bono global army for them.
    Yep, and they all come here when they have a serious illness that they need treated properly....Amazing how that works isn't it? As for the globes army, I agree to an extent. We shouldn't be acting as such.

    how do you feel about that? we're doing all of this interventionism for Saudi Arabia, the price of oil shoots through the roof, and not only does SA get to abdicate its duty as regional hegemon, it also makes out like a bandit. you get to pay. that something you support?
    Well, I guess if I want to drive my pu truck to work, like I will today, to get in my big truck, and deliver the food you eat I guess I have no choice do I? Further, if America sucks so bad for you, then why do you stay? I mean, it should be clear to you by now that the old boss is the same as the new boss...
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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    OMG. I've seen multiple people on this board prove you wrong on that, and your still peddling it. I'm not wasting my time posting the evidence for the umpteenth time, see ya Eco.
    It's a fact: the US provided botulism for the vaccination of cows. No other chemical agent or precursor was provided by the US. Saddam chose to starve his people and weaponize the vaccine.

    No one has ever proven this wrong because it is a fact.

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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Any plan Borsht Boi has better ...
    "Borscht Boi" Love it.
    Who chimes "No Absolutes!" chimes absolutely.

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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I certainly am not arguing American hypocrisy on the issue. But at the same time, I also don't want to cede any moral authority to Russia on the matter either. Just because some think we should be going around being the world's police at great cost to us, doesn't mean that we should...
    Oh I'm not at all arguing that Russia has moral authority on this or anything, just that they are right on this issue, will you see and accept that difference.

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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I won't contemplate the "peak oil myth" conspiracy here, but just suffice to say, that we could become regional independent for petroleum products and the despots, and global trash that make money off of us, while they cry how unjust we are would, and could eat sand for all I care.
    which will never happen unless you want to get the oil companies out of the business. the reason : they sell it to the highest bidder, and Wall Street gambles on futures. are you going to forbid them from exporting it?

    also : for how many years can we completely meet our own demand for oil, and at what price?

    it's stupid. the exam is coming, and we aren't preparing.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    uh huh....And your point?
    do you really need me to explain it? the point is that plenty of first world, non-dictatorships have health care for all. providing health care for citizens does not mean the country becomes a failed communist dictatorship.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, and they all come here when they have a serious illness that they need treated properly....Amazing how that works isn't it? As for the globes army, I agree to an extent. We shouldn't be acting as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I guess if I want to drive my pu truck to work, like I will today, to get in my big truck, and deliver the food you eat I guess I have no choice do I? Further, if America sucks so bad for you, then why do you stay? I mean, it should be clear to you by now that the old boss is the same as the new boss...
    because i want to improve it. we improve it by recognizing the things we're doing wrong, and fixing those things. our policies on interventionism need fixed, our energy model needs to be replaced, and our health care model needs a significant makeover.

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    Re: 'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Vladimir Putin has warned the US against launching military action in Syria, stating that Russia has "plans" on how it would react if such a scenario unfolded.

    The Russian president's comments came as Barack Obama for the first time portrayed his plans for US military action as part of a broader strategy to topple Bashar al-Assad, as the White House's campaign to win over sceptics in Congress gained momentum.

    In an interview with Associated Press and Russia's state Channel 1 television, Putin said it was too early to talk about what Russia would do if the US attacked Syria but added: "We have our ideas about what we will do and how we will do it in case the situation develops toward the use of force or otherwise. We have our plans."


    'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action | World news | theguardian.com
    President Putin has explicitly ruled out the use of force. Nevertheless, he still has numerous options that could complicate things for the U.S. Some options include:

    1. Increasing arms shipments to President Assad, including more sophisticated defense systems.
    2. Reducing, suspending, or abandoning Russia's role in the P+1 talks with Iran related to Iran's nuclear program.
    3. Delivering on defense commitments to Iran, which would make a military strike there more complex and difficult.
    4. Providing intelligence on U.S. force positions to Syria.

    I still believe the U.S. has more to lose, possibly much more to lose, than to gain from carrying out a military strike against Syria (now reportedly more ambitious than previously discussed if news reports are accurate) when such an attack is not justified by the nation's critical interests.

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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh I'm not at all arguing that Russia has moral authority on this or anything, just that they are right on this issue, will you see and accept that difference.
    Ok, but I am not ready yet to cede anyone is "right" on this....Hell, the UN hasn't even released their report yet. Not that it will tell us anything about who did what....

    Look, I supported Bush in Iraq, and Afghanistan. I was called all sorts of names from the liberal opposition, I watched that end, and our troops pull out, and within a year they are rapidly moving back to the **** hole they were before we tried to help them....Screw em....Let them all kill each other, and we can set up a boundary that contains them while they do it...I have no love for that region of the world.
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    Re: 'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    President Putin has explicitly ruled out the use of force. Nevertheless, he still has numerous options that could complicate things for the U.S. Some options include:

    1. Increasing arms shipments to President Assad, including more sophisticated defense systems.
    2. Reducing, suspending, or abandoning Russia's role in the P+1 talks with Iran related to Iran's nuclear program.
    3. Delivering on defense commitments to Iran, which would make a military strike there more complex and difficult.
    4. Providing intelligence on U.S. force positions to Syria.
    Russia has another option:

    Take oil pipeline infrastructure contracts to make up for revenue lost in their "bombs for civilians" foreign aid program and work with the UN to bolster moderates in a transitional democratic government.

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    Re: 'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    President Putin has explicitly ruled out the use of force. Nevertheless, he still has numerous options that could complicate things for the U.S. Some options include:

    1. Increasing arms shipments to President Assad, including more sophisticated defense systems.
    2. Reducing, suspending, or abandoning Russia's role in the P+1 talks with Iran related to Iran's nuclear program.
    3. Delivering on defense commitments to Iran, which would make a military strike there more complex and difficult.
    4. Providing intelligence on U.S. force positions to Syria.

    I still believe the U.S. has more to lose, possibly much more to lose, than to gain from carrying out a military strike against Syria (now reportedly more ambitious than previously discussed if news reports are accurate) when such an attack is not justified by the nation's critical interests.
    I will agree with you on that and don't understand why so many here jumped on his comments as a threat of military action when he made no such case then or ever. That doesn't mean it would be an impossible scenario, extremely unlikely as it is. Like Eisenhower said, when hostilities began ALL plans go out the window. So the risks of this do out way any perceived benefits, unless your a warmonger, and we have plenty of those.

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