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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Got under your skin on that one. Like pulling the curtain back on the Wizard of Oz! Shinning a light on a burglar. Russia's full of corruption. Who would deny that? But so is the United States. The CIA has been going around the world undermining governments for decades, documented atrocities by our government. We're not quite as bad as Russia so were good. Dashboard cameras are finding their way in vehicles here too, and they will be capturing plenty of police abuse here. We stand up for human rights ONLY when it's in the interest of the MIC/corporate America. Otherwise we turn a deaf ear. Slick, hahahahahaha
    Oh please.... Here we go! Look, if you want to take the stand that America should act upon every humanitarian atrocity, then why are we not in N. Korea? Why are we not in Sierra Leone? The Congo?

    We should only act when it is in our interests to act. You don't think that is what the rest of the world is doing here?
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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    hey kids, it's going to be a proxy war with Russia and China, with special guest Iran.* fill up those gas tanks!




















































































    *but we can't afford to improve health care

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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    hey kids, it's going to be a proxy war with Russia and China, with special guest Iran.* fill up those gas tanks!
    How about we drill, and ramp up our own, and cut SA out? I mean, we only get 19% from them anyway....Besides, can't we just fire up our windmill powered cars yet?

    *but we can't afford to improve health care
    I think Cuba has what you're looking for, although you may not like the rest of the condition of life there.
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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please.... Here we go! Look, if you want to take the stand that America should act upon every humanitarian atrocity, then why are we not in N. Korea? Why are we not in Sierra Leone? The Congo?

    We should only act when it is in our interests to act. You don't think that is what the rest of the world is doing here?
    We respond to all human rights abuses, IF we claim its because human rights are being abused, or we respond to no human rights abuses. As to what's in " our interests", that's so ambiguous, "US interests" abroad are rarely you're and my interests. I'm sorry, I categorically disagree with you that we should attack countries to exploit natural resources or keep the MIC employed or ANY other reason than to thwart an imminent attack or repel an actual one. Picking and choosing on any other basis doesn't work for some of us.

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    'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Got under your skin on that one. Like pulling the curtain back on the Wizard of Oz! Shinning a light on a burglar. Russia's full of corruption. Who would deny that? But so is the United States. The CIA has been going around the world undermining governments for decades, documented atrocities by our government. We're not quite as bad as Russia so were good. Dashboard cameras are finding their way in vehicles here too, and they will be capturing plenty of police abuse here. We stand up for human rights ONLY when it's in the interest of the MIC/corporate America. Otherwise we turn a deaf ear. Slick, hahahahahaha
    Under my skin? PAAALEASE. You sound like every naive hippy college kid I went to University with. You so desperately want America to be the "bad guys" that you can just excuse the behavior of a government that willfully violates human rights and Putin's crackdown on freedom of speech and assembly.

    The United States isn't "barely" better. It is light years better. Free speech and free assembly are tolerated here. Russia ranks 102nd in the Economists "freedom" poll where the United States lands a respectable 10th. Would you care to counter that? The fact that you think that is even debatable lets me know that you are a bias left winger and makes me wonder what country you hail from, and where you get your facts on human rights.

    I'm not claiming America is perfect, nor am I denying historical events. I will not, however, accept the claims of someone who thinks the United States and RUSSIA are comparable in human rights. That is bogus and only someone with a political agenda would make that claim. No rational and informed adult would, and that is for sure.
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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How about we drill, and ramp up our own, and cut SA out? I mean, we only get 19% from them anyway....Besides, can't we just fire up our windmill powered cars yet?
    because it's a finite resource, it's fungible, and it's going to run out no matter how much we drill. it needs to be replaced. the fight for diminishing resources has the potential to be catastrophic.


    I think Cuba has what you're looking for, although you may not like the rest of the condition of life there.
    Cuba is a dictatorship. every other first world democracy has a system in which citizens aren't one serious illness or injury away from bankruptcy at any given time. meanwhile, we are the pro bono global army for them.

    how do you feel about that? we're doing all of this interventionism for Saudi Arabia, the price of oil shoots through the roof, and not only does SA get to abdicate its duty as regional hegemon, it also makes out like a bandit. you get to pay. that something you support?

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    'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I certainly am not arguing American hypocrisy on the issue. But at the same time, I also don't want to cede any moral authority to Russia on the matter either. Just because some think we should be going around being the world's police at great cost to us, doesn't mean that we should...
    I agree with this statement. We have no duty to the Mid East. Let them eat cake. Hell. Their chaos will cripple oil supplies for Europe and Russia (probably the reason Russia wants a stable regime there right? Oil). But to let Russia dictate "right and wrong" is hilariously naive. Hell people think it is bad to be gay in America. I don't think they want to peak into Russia.
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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you kidding me?!?! The US provided chemical weapons to Iraq and encouraged their use.
    BS

    The US sold botulism for the vaccination of cattle (in proper quantity for the number of cattle). If the West had not done so, many would have starved. Saddam weaponized it and let his people starve.

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    Re: 'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action

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    Under my skin? PAAALEASE. You sound like every naive hippy college kid I went to University with. You so desperately want America to be the "bad guys" that you can just excuse the behavior of a government that willfully violates human rights and Putin's crackdown on freedom of speech and assembly.

    The United States isn't "barely" better. It is light years better. Free speech and free assembly are tolerated here. Russia ranks 102nd in the Economists "freedom" poll where the United States lands a respectable 10th. Would you care to counter that? The fact that you think that is even debatable lets me know that you are a bias left winger and makes me wonder what country you hail from, and where you get your facts on human rights.

    I'm not claiming America is perfect, nor am I denying historical events. I will not, however, accept the claims of someone who thinks the United States and RUSSIA are comparable in human rights. That is bogus and only someone with a political agenda would make that claim. No rational and informed adult would, and that is for sure.

    No, I so desperately want America to be the good guys, follow the rules and play nicely on the playground rather than bullying all the time, because we can. We have hugely different ideology.

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    Re: Putin says Russia has its plans for Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ;1062281785[B
    Obama's plan is to fire a shot across the bow?
    [/B]That's a plan?



    Not across the bow.

    Into the powder magazine.

    Big difference.

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