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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The president of Iran is much much more moderate. I know the religious nuts have more control but the people over there are wanting them pushed out for the most part. So this could possibly fabricate the split between the mullahs and the president that the people would pursue? dunno.
    I sometimes wonder if we have the same problem in America with the religious nuts! Different discussion though. I think Iran has a point here, we have been sticking our finger in that mess for years and all we have to show for it is body bags and debt! Time to let them handle their own problems. I don't care if they kill each other I really don't care how to that extent. Just as long as they do not attack the US. Now if they do don't send troops turn that desert into glass.

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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't think it's about humanitarian efforts in as much as it is about enforcing an international treaty not to use chemical weapons.
    In that case there would be overwhelming international support and UN support for action.
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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

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    In that case there would be overwhelming international support and UN support for action.

    How often does that happen?

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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    In that case there would be overwhelming international support and UN support for action.
    International support is dependent upon individual states caring. UN support is dependent upon the Security Council being unwilling to veto an action. Neither of which you can depend on.
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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    How often does that happen?
    the UN hasnt even "condemned" the actions to my knowledge. They always seem to find time for that. Our closest allies voted against intervention too, the only country we have friendly relations with that has support for it is France (who will probably surrender half way through :P)
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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    International support is dependent upon individual states caring. UN support is dependent upon the Security Council being unwilling to veto an action. Neither of which you can depend on.
    Fair enough on both points, i'll say again though, the UN seems to "condemn" a lot of things, and most countries have an opinion on something. I do agree though that they are not both always reliable.
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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    I sometimes wonder if we have the same problem in America with the religious nuts! Different discussion though. I think Iran has a point here, we have been sticking our finger in that mess for years and all we have to show for it is body bags and debt! Time to let them handle their own problems. I don't care if they kill each other I really don't care how to that extent. Just as long as they do not attack the US. Now if they do don't send troops turn that desert into glass.
    Well I'm not for conducting nor allowing a genocide but I am for an isolationist foreign policy well beyond what we have now. Wayyy beyond.
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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Well I'm not for conducting nor allowing a genocide but I am for an isolationist foreign policy well beyond what we have now. Wayyy beyond.
    Yes, I agree.

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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Obama has been by turns inept, incompetent, indecisive. His constant vacillation on what the US will do, when it will do it, how it will do it, then oops, let's back that up for a while and chat with congress, has not only given Syria a blueprint of our military game plan, it's also allowed Syria plenty of time to shift, move and hide its military assets.
    Our military game plan is to drop bombs on them from the sky, and arm and support one faction against the other. Just like the last dozen or so civil wars we've intervened in. What's to give away?

    As for Iran, they are watching a dithering president who changes his mind as often as mom changes a baby's diaper. If they don't feel emboldened at this point, I'd be stunned. They see a president that when pressed to the wall, blinks or simply moves the wall. They will take advantage of that, which will not bode well for the region or the world at large. I'd like to say I believed that if then Iranians tried to take a piss in our direction, Obama would turn them into eunuchs before they got it back in their pants...

    But I honestly don't believe that to be the case. There will be much bluster and gnashing of teeth, Obama will indignantly tell the world exactly what we are going to do and when we are going to do it, but in the end... I doubt he will do anything of substance, which will continue to embolden our enemies.
    What a weird sentiment. What exactly is it you think Iran is emboldened to do? Obtain nuclear technology? They're doing that already. Make moves against Israel? Fund terrorist organizations? Impose Islamic law on their people and oppress women, murder gays, and execute anyone who wants to stop being Muslim? They're already doing all of that. Maybe Iran's leaders don't spend all day thinking about what the United States may or may not do. Maybe if Iran "pissed on us" (whatever that actually means), then the American people would demand a war. We demanded one in Afghanistan, though we certainly didn't demand the one we ended up getting.

    All this paranoia over Iran gets us nowhere. Just like our paranoia over Iraq got us nowhere. Our war mongering only made things worse. We probably will suffer if we attack Syria. We'll keep creating men like Bin Laden. We'll keep putting dictators in power and then tearing them down. We'll help the religious fundamentalists kill the communists and then help the rebels kill the fundamentalists and then we'll help someone else kill the rebels. We keep arming violent people and then acting surprised when they do violent things. We're perpetuating violence and instability.
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    Re: Iran: US will "suffer" if it leads strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Honestly, I am surprised we have not heard more arguments like the one above. The U.S has no standing on humanitarian issues when it comes to using force because we have lost our credibility. I do have to doubt the Iranian rhetoric that the United States will suffer if military actions occurs. We have heard it before from other countries, namely North Korea, and nothing ever comes of it. Either way it is an interesting statement and it is an interesting situation that President Obama has gotten the United States into.
    I don't actually think you have credibility or don't have credibility. You earn credibility and you lose credibility. As for the US, I feel we've lost credibility on Guantanamo Bay and Iraq. That's why I think we must restore credibility with intelligent responses to crises in the world like Syria. It's an ongoing process. If at the end of the day we've made more good choices than bad then I would feel good.

    That being said, Iran has reasons to be angry with the West. The US and UK overthrew a democratic government and replaced it with the Shaw. The west stood by and did nothing when Iraq used chemical weapons against them. When Iran extended their hand to the US after 9/11 Bush labeled them part of the "Axis of Evil."

    So, we have to think a long game here on how we deal with Iran.

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