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Making a push to get people to join "Obamacare"

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So, you are saying that "the government" is trying to bring back slavery? Why? Who benefits? Usually there is a money trail....who is getting paid for this and why?



Yeah guys, wake up! There is absolutely nothing attractive about absolute control! It's in mans nature to run from anything that gives them power over other people! :roll:
 
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Congratulations on putting your bottom line first, I guess? Me, I take care of my employees.

Oh yeah, did you provide them with medical and dental before this? Even the part-timers?
 
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Oh yeah, did you provide them with medical and dental before this? Even the part-timers?

Medical, Dental, vision, free ice cream, and before they go home each night he throws wads of cash in the air and lets them take home whatever they can catch.
 
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Yeah guys, wake up! There is absolutely nothing attractive about absolute control! It's in mans nature to run from anything that gives them power over other people! :roll:

A meaningful answer would add more value than your amusing quip. I assure you that the government has plenty of control already but I don't see why 29 hour weeks would make them more "powerful".
 
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Why do conservatives think everyone besides them are idiots?

likely for the same reason many progressives think everyone that disagrees with them are, as well. Ideology gets funny like that when it steps in for reality
 
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A meaningful answer would add more value than your amusing quip. I assure you that the government has plenty of control already but I don't see why 29 hour weeks would make them more "powerful".

The more people believe they need government assistance the more people vote Democrat.
 
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Complete control of what? A failed and impoverished nation? I think you give them too much credit for being smart enough to control anything. I think they're actually dumb enough to have overlooked this little fly buzzing around in the ointment.

Look how inept they are. That's why you have these endless scandals. This is incompetence, not some insidious plot. Sure, there are wheels within the wheels but I doubt a 29 hour workweek was in the master plan.

That's what gets me about most conspiracy theories: they demand a level of competence in an elected govt that most of us could only hope for
 
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A meaningful answer would add more value than your amusing quip. I assure you that the government has plenty of control already but I don't see why 29 hour weeks would make them more "powerful".

There's an increased liklihood that those who only have 29hr a week employment will depend upon government services. It's much harder to oppose the critters and what they are doing while you're receiving services from them "gratis". Make too much noise and they cut you off.
 
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There's an increased liklihood that those who only have 29hr a week employment will depend upon government services. It's much harder to oppose the critters and what they are doing while you're receiving services from them "gratis". Make too much noise and they cut you off.

That's what gets me about most conspiracy theories: they demand a level of competence in an elected govt that most of us could only hope for

The more people believe they need government assistance the more people vote Democrat.

Here is what I see and I hope I'm responding to everyone.

I lean toward Dr. Chuckle's comment because I think that we are ascribing far too much credit and credibility to the concept of a grand scheme to take over America. Look at what a bunch of ****ups these people are. So, this idea of long term thinking about how to impoverish everyone so they are on your payroll is way over their heads. Don't believe me? Then explain Fast & Furious and Benghazi which were demonstrations of ineptitude on a near cosmic scale. And right now - look at Syria - proof positive that these idiots are clueless.

Anybody working a 29 hour job is somebody who wouldn't make much at a 40 hour job. These aren't engineers, they're burger flippers. Everyone I know works full time, makes good money (albeit without recent raises) and gers insurance. Not just insurance but Cadillac insurance (which is now creating a problem of its own). Oh, and they vote Democrat - although like myself they are terribly disappointed in Obama and wish there were a viable alternative.

As far as "too much noise and they cut you off", do you actually believe that? Do you think they will review this board (or other public place) and go "hey, you, mother****er, you criticized the King and you won't get any more food stamps"? Highly unlikely.

Using Occam's Razor, I see brute incompetence. 2500 pages of favors, confusion and payoffs and none of these morons thought to make part time the traditional 20 hours? Now, of course, I could be wrong. They may have a long term plot to take over America and appoint Obama King For Life. But - that seems more like Sci-Fi than reality.
 
Making a push to get people to join "Obamacare" - CBS News

I'll consider it if Nancy Pelosi comes over to my house and explains all 2,409 pages (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590pp/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590pp.pdf) in detail.

If Obamacare comes up with a solid medical plan for people with wages over $250K and a monthly charge of under $1K for the plan; I would very seriously consider buying it. Right now I pay for United Healthcare to the tune of about $880/month; but you don't get rich spending frivolously and if Obama Bin Biden can beat United Healthcare I am definitely down with that. I'd also appreciate it if Obama can make something called ObamaPutt. I would love a new Harley or Indian for under $15K (with sidecar, because I'm thinking that could be very cool).
 
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Conspiracy theories are never a good way to explain political events.

How is a push towards reducing the number of hours in the average work week a conspiracy theory?

Fact is, we are trending AWAY from full employment. Either we scale UP social services, which breeds sloth and dependency, or we attempt to scale BACK the average number of hours each American works. Instead of one person putting 80 hours per week, make it two. Instead of two people doing 40 each, make it three, for around 25 hours each. You've just employed one extra person. It's that, or pay people NOT to work.
 
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Using Occam's Razor,

The new Gillette's have 4 blades. I'm tellin' ya - you haven't lived until you shave with a 4 blade razor.
 
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The more people believe they need government assistance the more people vote Democrat.

The more people believe stories of global floods, sky-daddies, universes that are 6K years old, and all that other biblical inerrancy swill; the more they vote Republican. I would at least hope most Atheists vote Libertarian (or at worst Democrat). GOP wants me to adhere to some bullcrap stories written by goat herders that thought the earth was flat. I don't dig crap that one iota. It's Sharia Law of a different color painted with cheap spray paint.
 
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No different than the below being levied on the entirety of modern business leaders:



It's not just conservatives...I'm not a conservative and I think a lot of the nonsense in threads like this are obviously absurd. Do you think anyone can make a claim like Kevin above and be taken seriously? Or half the people who claim XYZ about running a business and employee benefits, meanwhile never having had to make those actual choices themselves in a meaningful way? Don't confuse intolerance of fools with simple ad hom...

Would you like a link to another thread in which this same statement is made, and then I spent, oh, six seconds googling around 25 references of EXACTLY what is described in the paragraph you quoted?

If executives of the largest corporations on earth are doing such a fine and stand up job, why do we need "too big to fail"?

As I recall, the only response to the links to failed business practices were links to SIX (LOL) CEO success stories, two of which were rappers, and one was Oprah, and one was clearly a SMALL, family owned business. Totally debunked my argument, eh?
Fact is, YOU simply don't want to accept that your idols, these so called paragons of capitalism, are driving our entire country into the dirt to line their pockets.
 
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A meaningful answer would add more value than your amusing quip. I assure you that the government has plenty of control already but I don't see why 29 hour weeks would make them more "powerful".

Because in order to make a 29 hour work week livable without doing multiple 29 work weeks at multiple employers, government would have to assume more control over the market. Either in the form or forced higher minimum hourly compensation, or by granting more benefits to low wager earners. Uncle Sam doesn't want people to take more than one job, as doing so takes work away from someone else. Someone else could be doing that other 29 hour job. Which makes employment numbers look good, as they don't reflect UNDERemployed. And from there, you consider the trend, which is that more and more, these are the types of jobs most Americans are getting, government now has a way to bargain with a large, and getting larger, demographic of voters.


That's just a thought off the top of my head, though.
 
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Because in order to make a 29 hour work week livable without doing multiple 29 work weeks at multiple employers, government would have to assume more control over the market. Either in the form or forced higher minimum hourly compensation, or by granting more benefits to low wager earners. Uncle Sam doesn't want people to take more than one job, as doing so takes work away from someone else. Someone else could be doing that other 29 hour job. Which makes employment numbers look good, as they don't reflect UNDERemployed. And from there, you consider the trend, which is that more and more, these are the types of jobs most Americans are getting, government now has a way to bargain with a large, and getting larger, demographic of voters.

That's just a thought off the top of my head, though.

Well, nothing is impossible and maybe logic doesn't apply. Just seems like a complex method of improving your unemployment figures when you can just manipulate them in other ways. This bill is from 4 years ago and you'd think that they would have wanted quicker results back in the day when Obama's second term was still ahead of him. By the time this impact is reflected in job numbers, we'll be well past even the 2014 elections so it seems futile.
 
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The more people believe stories of global floods, sky-daddies, universes that are 6K years old, and all that other biblical inerrancy swill; the more they vote Republican. I would at least hope most Atheists vote Libertarian (or at worst Democrat). GOP wants me to adhere to some bullcrap stories written by goat herders that thought the earth was flat. I don't dig crap that one iota. It's Sharia Law of a different color painted with cheap spray paint.


I was unaware that Jimmy Voltaire posted on DB! Hey Jimmy!
 
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Well, nothing is impossible and maybe logic doesn't apply. Just seems like a complex method of improving your unemployment figures when you can just manipulate them in other ways. This bill is from 4 years ago and you'd think that they would have wanted quicker results back in the day when Obama's second term was still ahead of him. By the time this impact is reflected in job numbers, we'll be well past even the 2014 elections so it seems futile.

I don't want to bake your noodle, but term limits only apply to the president.



Either way, I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory aspect of it. I simply see a push to emulate European countries. Who have shorter work weeks, and universal healthcare.
 
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I don't want to bake your noodle, but term limits only apply to the president.

Either way, I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory aspect of it. I simply see a push to emulate European countries. Who have shorter work weeks, and universal healthcare.

Obamacare didn't appear magically. It wasn't written in a day. So, nothing short of a conspiracy would be required to see a push to emulate European countries and we both seem to fee;ll there is not a conspiracy.

So, maybe it was a mistake? Maybe it was hastily written, too many payoffs circling around and nobody remembered to tell the other guy that if you define 29 hours as part time, you're going to gum up the works. The minimum wage will need to be $10 an hour, a pretty big jump. Now, if that comes up, maybe we are both wrong and this is not just a conspiracy, but an out and out attack on the fabric of reality.

Oh, yes, term limits. I haven't seen any presidents that do much to help their party out. They mostly worry about themselves and their feckin legacies. I'm actually aware that there are no other term limits and even the few that are, don't hold much weight (ask Bloomberg).
 
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Obamacare didn't appear magically. It wasn't written in a day. So, nothing short of a conspiracy would be required to see a push to emulate European countries and we both seem to fee;ll there is not a conspiracy.

So, maybe it was a mistake? Maybe it was hastily written, too many payoffs circling around and nobody remembered to tell the other guy that if you define 29 hours as part time, you're going to gum up the works. The minimum wage will need to be $10 an hour, a pretty big jump. Now, if that comes up, maybe we are both wrong and this is not just a conspiracy, but an out and out attack on the fabric of reality.

Oh, yes, term limits. I haven't seen any presidents that do much to help their party out. They mostly worry about themselves and their feckin legacies. I'm actually aware that there are no other term limits and even the few that are, don't hold much weight (ask Bloomberg).
A conspiracy is just a secret agenda.

Is it not public liberal policy to idolize and emulate European models of government and economics?
 
Making a push to get people to join "Obamacare" - CBS News

I'll consider it if Nancy Pelosi comes over to my house and explains all 2,409 pages (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590pp/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590pp.pdf) in detail.

The last sentence on page 2409 states "Nothing in the aforementioned document shall be construed as an expectation, implicit or otherwise, that the bearer of an insurance card shall be entitled to benefits under the plans as listed in the contract on page 2."
 
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A conspiracy is just a secret agenda.

Is it not public liberal policy to idolize and emulate European models of government and economics?

If you think that George Bush was a Liberal, then you're onto something here. Otherwise, how during the 8 years of that presidency how did we get stuff like Medicare D and other such things? So, you're talking bi-partisan policy? Hmmm. You could very well be right. Or it could be that we are becoming more Liberal as the natural course of events with such a large population and the 29 hours, a difficult number, was simply ineptitude.
 
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It's actually funny as hell to watch.
I laugh my ass off as I watch train wrecks too, pass the popcorn
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I laugh my ass off as I watch train wrecks too, pass the popcorn
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With any luck, this'll be a slo-mo train wreck as it attempts its first curve.
 
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