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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'll tell you what I think. I think that the new bread of MBA toting corporate CEOs are carelessly and callously bleeding the institutions that are/were once the American symbols of economic ingenuity and success, in a concerted effort for ever higher profit margins, because greed is good. They don't give a damn about America, it's people, and certainly not the companies they so vaingloriously suck dry. Why should they? They typically only work their a couple years, and why should they care about the US? It's just one of many countries in which they live.

    Others are right. Full time employment has been on the wane for years. Before Obama, before Bush. Really, since the mid 80s. The affordable Health Care Act is just a piss poor attemp to respond to that problem. It's an attempt to decrease the workweek, as our government once did in the past with the federal overtime act. More part time positions = higher number of people employed. Makes congress critters look good, you know?
    You tried.....but your final two sentences are whack.
    How many sane, able-bodied, adult Americans have refused an available job in favor of living off of public assistance?

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneLaugher View Post
    Why do conservatives think everyone besides them are idiots?
    Whooooaaaa there big boy. Extremists on both sides fit that definition. Neither your average conservative or liberal think everyone besides them are idiots.

    It's the fringe elements that think so, or stereotype conservatives or liberals as you did above.

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'll tell you what I think. I think that the new bread of MBA toting corporate CEOs are carelessly and callously bleeding the institutions that are/were once the American symbols of economic ingenuity and success, in a concerted effort for ever higher profit margins, because greed is good. They don't give a damn about America, it's people, and certainly not the companies they so vaingloriously suck dry. Why should they? They typically only work their a couple years, and why should they care about the US? It's just one of many countries in which they live.

    Others are right. Full time employment has been on the wane for years. Before Obama, before Bush. Really, since the mid 80s. The affordable Health Care Act is just a piss poor attemp to respond to that problem. It's an attempt to decrease the workweek, as our government once did in the past with the federal overtime act. More part time positions = higher number of people employed. Makes congress critters look good, you know?
    Conspiracy theories are never a good way to explain political events.

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Oh they knew it would happen. It's redistribution of what's left of the available labor hours. Give people almost enough so you can subsidize them and you've got complete control.
    yeah, it's all a vast plot.

    God, don't conservatives tire of their own ridiculous conspiracy theories. They don't even make sense on their own terms.

    But if you have no coherent ideas and if your policies are vast failures, I guess shouting conspiracy theories is the only option.

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Oh they knew it would happen. It's redistribution of what's left of the available labor hours. Give people almost enough so you can subsidize them and you've got complete control.
    Complete control of what? A failed and impoverished nation? I think you give them too much credit for being smart enough to control anything. I think they're actually dumb enough to have overlooked this little fly buzzing around in the ointment.

    Look how inept they are. That's why you have these endless scandals. This is incompetence, not some insidious plot. Sure, there are wheels within the wheels but I doubt a 29 hour workweek was in the master plan.

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Making a push to get people to join "Obamacare" - CBS News

    I'll consider it if Nancy Pelosi comes over to my house and explains all 2,409 pages (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...11hr3590pp.pdf) in detail.
    After October 1st when your state has a healthcare exchange that you can shop, please come back in here and post about what you saw.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneLaugher View Post
    Why do conservatives think everyone besides them are idiots?
    For the same reason that liberals tend to think that everyone besides them are evil. Both sides confuse opposition to their means with opposition to their motives.



    As for labor hours, even the Unions (even Trumpka) are now coming out and admitting that Obamacare is destroying full-time employment. it's a reality. When you make it significantly more expensive for people to do something, they tend to reduce how much they will do it. To include hiring someone full time.

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    After October 1st when your state has a healthcare exchange that you can shop, please come back in here and post about what you saw.
    Except he won't see anything because in the endless series of small trainwrecks that are part of the Big Trainwreck that is this legislation, the exchanges have been delayed. Just like about 50% of Obamacares' other deadlines.

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    After October 1st when your state has a healthcare exchange that you can shop, please come back in here and post about what you saw.

    What percent of the population will be in these exchanges? How many of the folks who did not have insurance are in their 20's and 30's in good health and don't want to pay for insurance.

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    Re: The Big Push

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Complete control of what? A failed and impoverished nation? I think you give them too much credit for being smart enough to control anything. I think they're actually dumb enough to have overlooked this little fly buzzing around in the ointment.

    Look how inept they are. That's why you have these endless scandals. This is incompetence, not some insidious plot. Sure, there are wheels within the wheels but I doubt a 29 hour workweek was in the master plan.
    I can not accept the premise that with as many people as we have in the House, Senate and the executive branch that they are collectively that stupid. When you ask people in the real world what the results of these policies will be they tend to be similar within a narrow range. The scandals suggest arrogance, not stupidity. They are doing what they are doing because they expect they can get away with it.

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