Obama: I didn't draw the red line on Syria, world did [W:162]

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sociotard said:

That isn't a lie so much as a rhetorical device. It is true that Obama wasn't exactly the first US President to proclaim that chemical weapons are unacceptable. It is true that leaders from around the world have proclaimed the same since WWI. That's all I got from his speech.

For the record, I am opposed to Syrian intervention. I wish that Obama had never mentioned a line of any color. That said, I am glad he's requesting permission from Congress to intervene, which looks to me like an attempt to find an excuse to not intervene, or at least put it off. Given the choice between the US not following through on the red-line statement (thus looking weak) and the US launching a strike (thus accomplishing little and killing a bunch of people), I would choose the former.

While Obama has made many mistakes, I am even more confident that he was the right choice in 2008. Obama is nowhere near the slavering warmonger that McCain is, who even now is urging US involvement in Syria. (I am less certain Obama was better than Romney, who just didn't talk as much about foreign policy. For my vote, that was more of a toss up)

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How is he less the "slavering warmonger" than McCain?

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upsideguy said:

Apparently no one. Though Saddam's use of chemical weapons in 1988 was touted and sold as a reason to go into Iraq in 2003. The Cons suddenly found outrage 15 years later in the circumstance. Then again, it usually takes the Cons about 15 years to catch up to reality, so I guess that makes sense.

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You keep wanting to bring up the past as in someway justification for what Obama is doing. If you were so against what Bush did why are you supporting what Obama is doing?

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Conservative said:

You keep wanting to bring up the past as in someway justification for what Obama is doing. If you were so against what Bush did why are you supporting what Obama is doing?

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You are jumping to conclusions.... I am not supporting what Obama is doing. In fact, I think the US has been remarkably inconsistent on this issue.... from aiding in the use of gas to looking the other way to feigning outrage 15 years after the fact to wanting to go to war over it now. But, that is the way our government (and our people) often are; remarkably inconsistent.

Even on DP, you can see multiple posts outraged over the actions of the current president, but they will defend the same actions of a President from their party. Chemical weapons is one example. The cry to enter Iraq included Saddam's use of chemical weapons (even though it happened 15 years prior)... and many in that party are now telling us that its not our problem.

I'm against Bush because he pretty much screwed up the US economy with waging meaningless wars and occupations, granting tax cuts that were designed to eliminate the surplus, but then calling them a form of stimulus and expanding medicare without funding it. Sp we are clear, in my Bush had a few redeeming qualities, but was generally a very bad president. Obama has many redeeming qualities, but is screwing this particular issue up big time.

That is probably hard for you to understand, Con... as you are one of these people that carries a party line and can find no redeeming qualities on the other side of the ideal. I am far more nuanced than that... there is much about my party that I disagree (and sometimes I see people on the other side that have it right.)

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upsideguy said:

You are jumping to conclusions.... I am not supporting what Obama is doing. In fact, I think the US has been remarkably inconsistent on this issue.... from aiding in the use of gas to looking the other way to feigning outrage 15 years after the fact to wanting to go to war over it now. But, that is the way our government (and our people) often are; remarkably inconsistent.

Even on DP, you can see multiple posts outraged over the actions of the current president, but they will defend the same actions of a President from their party. Chemical weapons is one example. The cry to enter Iraq included Saddam's use of chemical weapons (even though it happened 15 years prior)... and many in that party are now telling us that its not our problem.

I'm against Bush because he pretty much screwed up the US economy with waging meaningless wars and occupations, granting tax cuts that were designed to eliminate the surplus, but then calling them a form of stimulus and expanding medicare without funding it. Sp we are clear, in my Bush had a few redeeming qualities, but was generally a very bad president. Obama has many redeeming qualities, but is screwing this particular issue up big time.

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Bush screwed a lot of stuff up, but my goodness, if you can't see how Obama's massive screw-ups have exponentially trumped Bush's then you're just not paying attention at all.

EdwinWillers said:

Talk about slithering snakes...

Unbelievable.

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For those willing to be educated....

Twice, Obama referred to the use of chemical weapons as a red line “for us” — meaning the United States. And he was specifically answering a question asking about the possibility of military action.

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They say you can't tell a wise man from a fool until he opens his mouth.

That should lead us to do a little fact checking before we speak. As a courtesy, to save you further embarrassment, I offer the following link for you to study.

Obama’s Blurry Red Line

Read it. Get the facts. Go over the context and get back to us later after you have studied to show thyself approved.

Have a nice weekend.

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upsideguy said:

You are jumping to conclusions.... I am not supporting what Obama is doing. In fact, I think the US has been remarkably inconsistent on this issue.... from aiding in the use of gas to looking the other way to feigning outrage 15 years after the fact to wanting to go to war over it now. But, that is the way our government (and our people) often are; remarkably inconsistent.

Even on DP, you can see multiple posts outraged over the actions of the current president, but they will defend the same actions of a President from their party. Chemical weapons is one example. The cry to enter Iraq included Saddam's use of chemical weapons (even though it happened 15 years prior)... and many in that party are now telling us that its not our problem.

I'm against Bush because he pretty much screwed up the US economy with waging meaningless wars and occupations, granting tax cuts that were designed to eliminate the surplus, but then calling them a form of stimulus and expanding medicare without funding it. Sp we are clear, in my Bush had a few redeeming qualities, but was generally a very bad president. Obama has many redeeming qualities, but is screwing this particular issue up big time.

That is probably hard for you to understand, Con... as you are one of these people that carries a party line and can find no redeeming qualities on the other side of the ideal. I am far more nuanced than that... there is much about my party that I disagree (and sometimes I see people on the other side that have it right.)

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I would have thought that in 5 years you would have overcome the ignorance you continue to display. Bush didn't screw up the economy, that would be Obama. The economy was healing when Obama took office and today the results speak for themselves. the partisanship is coming from you, not me. I post facts and support those facts with logic and common sense. I don't understand how someone who claims to run a business can be so blind to what Obama is doing to that business.

I have no party line, I am a conservative and nothing Obama or the Democrats have done is conservative. I don't belong to the Republican Party, never have, and grew up a Democrat, registered Democrat for decades, voted for more democrats than you probably voted for Republicans. The difference between me and you is that I understand the economy and the private sector better than either you or Obama. You cannot tell me how Bush screwed up the economy because the war certainly didn't do that. Obama has no redeeming qualities but screwed up from day one, too bad you cannot see that.

Captain America said:

For those willing to be educated....

They say you can't tell a wise man from a fool until he opens his mouth.

That should lead us to do a little fact checking before we speak. As a courtesy, to save you further embarrassment, I offer the following link for you to study.

Obama’s Blurry Red Line

Read it. Get the facts. Go over the context and get back to us later after you have studied to show thyself approved.

Have a nice weekend.

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For those who presume to be educators....

Obama says he didn’t draw the red line on Syria, world did | McClatchy Read it.

Post #50 Read that.

Read 'em all. Dump the liberal spin sites; get the unbiased facts, understand the statements, what was said and why, use the brain God gave each one of us.

And if you're going to quote something, quote it correctly:
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
and
"Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is considered prudent." - Proverbs 17:28
and
"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth." - 2 Tim 2:15

:2wave:

EdwinWillers said:

Talk about slithering snakes...

Unbelievable.

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And the passing of the buck begins, and shirking responsibly and lacking in leadership.

Really? Is anyone surprised by this?

TheGirlNextDoor said:

And the passing of the buck begins, and shirking responsibly and lacking in leadership.

Really? Is anyone surprised by this?

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Not at all.

Hear the latest in the Hollywood social news?

Obomba is "trying."

LOL...

Trying!

TheGirlNextDoor said:

And the passing of the buck begins, and shirking responsibly and lacking in leadership.

Really? Is anyone surprised by this?

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I read somewhere the other day that even radical lefty and pseudo documentarian Oliver Stone referred to il prezbo as "a snake." I could care less what Stone has to say about anything, but when the one guy who might be willing to rewrite history with a movie dedicated to you thinks you too slithery a subject, I have to chuckle.

Surprised? No.

And neither am I surprised at all his minions crawling out of the woodwork to spin his comments as if what he said he didn't really say, though he did, just not in the way he did, which he did.

What really cracks me up was the last poster who cited FactCheck.Org, who did a piece that basically said that while we do need to consider the context of what he said (duh), he nevertheless did say what he did.... as if that was some sort of proof he didn't say what he said. :doh

Lord of Planar said:

Not at all.

Hear the latest in the Hollywood social news?

Obomba is "trying."

LOL...

Trying!

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As in.... his intentions are good?

EdwinWillers said:

As in.... his intentions are good?

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I took it (my personal bias) as meaning, don't fault the guy. He's doing his best. You know, the way you would not shame grade schooling kids for doing stupid things, but instead say the kid is "trying."

I heard the remark in passing without the full context from a reliable source. Since I posted it, I looked it up. It was Robert De Niro who said it.

De Niro said:

He’s trying his best. He’s going to do things that people feel are not right or violating one right or another. But at the end of the day, he represents, I think, the best of the type of people that I would like to see running the government. He has to play that game, the political game. They all do. They make statements they can’t honor because they’re impossible to honor. Once you get into that Washington machinery, you’ve just got to figure it out and swim against the current and grab onto this rock and that, and just try to maintain your course.

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De Niro on Obama: He's trying his best

Can we stop with the liberal BS to compare what Obama is doing to what Bush did? The further we get from the Iraq War resolution the more distorted liberals become in making claims about why we attacked Iraq. No such resolution exists in Syria and attempts to redefine what Obama said is desperation on the part of Obamabots to continue to support the failed liberal ideology and an incompetent in Barack Obama

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm

Lord of Planar said:

I took it (my personal bias) as meaning,
don't fault the guy. He's doing his best. You know, the way you would not shame grade schooling kids for doing stupid things, but instead say the kid is "trying."

I heard the remark in passing without the full context from a reliable source. Since I posted it, I looked it up. It was Robert De Niro who said it.



De Niro on Obama: He's trying his best

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Lol...That should have been one of his plattitudes in 08 and 12.

" Elect Barrack Obama, he'll try his best".

Lord of Planar said:

I took it (my personal bias) as meaning, don't fault the guy. He's doing his best. You know, the way you would not shame grade schooling kids for doing stupid things, but instead say the kid is "trying."

I heard the remark in passing without the full context from a reliable source. Since I posted it, I looked it up. It was Robert De Niro who said it.

De Niro on Obama: He's trying his best

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LOL. My problem - and you get this too is that this isn't grade school.

As far as what De Niro said, it strikes me that when a man in the most powerful position in the world needs a Hollywood actor to apologetically stand up for him, appealing to our emotions with the lame excuse that he's "trying," then he knows and we know that despite all his efforts (at least those off the golf course) he's quite obviously failing miserably.

I mean... seriously... how many other presidents in history (and I've not looked this up) had it said of them that they were "trying?"
Abraham Lincoln? "He's trying"
FDR? "He's trying"
Dwight Eisenhower? "He's trying"
Ronald Reagan? "He's trying"
George Washington? "He's trying"
...?

What De Niro has done is admit Obama is a failure but he gets a pass.

ItAin'tFree said:

What De Niro has done is admit Obama is a failure but he gets a pass.

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Ahhyup

I am tired if the country playing politics. The right reason should win though the debate process, and right now, that debate is not happening. The UK did it right.

American said:

Nah, they'll pin this on Bush somehow. :lol:

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We haven't really had a national debate. The most compelling reason to drop some bombs would be to send a message to Iran and other nations. But I am kind of leaning to no. Kerry keeps citing classified reports.

Given the facts, I am glad Obama and Kerry are going about this as they are. They aren't being pushy with propaganda and misinformation. Thank God for that.

But the other side of this issue is the lack of leadership and character in Congress and senate. They all seem chicken **** to take a stand one way or another, they aren't having the passionate debates like the UK did because they are worried about reelection or whatever.

Fiddytree said:

He's attempting to put pressure on the Congress to do its job in legitimizing his action. By losing the UK, having a skeptical public, and without UN support, the President is more or less trying to put the ball in their court. Yes, it's a political calculation, and some things could have been handled better, but this was the right political calculation and it needed to be one. We expect the President of the United States to take a tough stand on issues of grave foreign policy interest, be it a nuclear Iran, genocide, or chemical weapon use on civilian populations. He gives one, which was what we expected, and the coalition around him evaporated. This simply makes sense.

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What mistake do you want him to admit? He wants congressional approval, but he doesn't need it. And from what I heard, he is willing to go in without congressional approval as well.

EdwinWillers said:

:doh

Unbelievable. It's because of world views like this we are in the situation we are now, with this petty, petulant would-be dictator of child occupying the most powerful political office in the world.

"Tough stand" my dairy aire. He's a sniveling weasel that rather than own up to his own mistakes is more than willing to not only blame everyone else - INCLUDING his own country and people - rather than man up to his incompetence and stupidity and admit he made a mistake.

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SheWolf said:

I am tired if the country playing politics. The right reason should win though the debate process, and right now, that debate is not happening. The UK did it right.

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We are too, the Dems and Reps in Congress are getting ready to hand Obama a big NO.

SheWolf said:

What mistake do you want him to admit? He wants congressional approval, but he doesn't need it. And from what I heard, he is willing to go in without congressional approval as well.

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Don't you think he made a mistake by not going to Congress right after the chemical attack? What exactly is he going to bomb now? Is that a new military tactic, tell your enemy you are going to bomb them and give them time to move their mobile launchers and hide their chemical weapons in populated areas? Everyone is seeing first hand what a mistake they made electing this incompetent to the highest office in the land.

Barak Obama's accomplishments as President of the United States--------------being the first African American President of the United States. It pretty much stops there.

Mizmo said:

Barak Obama's accomplishments as President of the United States--------------being the first African American President of the United States. It pretty much stops there.

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That is just how pathetic he his.

EdwinWillers said:

Talk about slithering snakes...

Unbelievable.

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I don't know after all the lies Obama has told how anyone can believe him...The man has lost all creditability.