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    re: Obama: I didn't draw the red line on Syria, world did [W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Here's the truth:
    and...and...Who denies or seeks to spin the president's statements about the red line are either lying or patently ignorant of the facts.
    You left out "or blindly support Obama no matter what".
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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Typical Obama. I didnt do it. The world did it. The republicans. Congress. Just...not me.

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    re: Obama: I didn't draw the red line on Syria, world did [W:162]

    Not my red line, the world's red line. Not my credibility, the world's credibility. Not my fault, the world's fault.

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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It will be, actually. The President's reputation is on the line (to disagree with him), the Congress's reputation is on the line, the American public's reputation is on the line, and the international community's reputation is on the line.
    Was all that on the line when dems tried to defund the Iraq war?

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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    “We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized,” the president said a year ago last week. “That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.”

    Once again we see the right try to pin something on him.
    He pinned it on himself.

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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Was all that on the line when dems tried to defund the Iraq war?
    In my view, yes.
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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Ehhh..ok whatever...I was against the intervention in Libya as well. I'm pretty dovish when it comes to military intervention but whatever conforms to your make believe narrative.
    Oh yea you're such a dove

    You're such a dove you support "The International Community" intervening in civil wars because "chemical weapons" were used. Other atrocities happening don't matter. The use of chemical weapons didn't matter when Saddam used them on the Kurds, but suddenly in your perception of reality chemical weapons = instant justification for war. The rebels also acquired chemical weapons. It's on video. How do we know they didn't use them? What would Assad gain by using chemical weapons right now? The last time I checked, the US didn't have international support either. We're pretty much alone. Obama is the one who set the red line, yet here you are trying to obfuscate, distract, pretending to be a dove while in reality you're the warmongering hawk trying to drag this country into another unjust war.

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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    He's ducking behind a metaphor. I gotta remember to use that line next time I get backed into a corner.

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    re: Obama: I didn't draw the red line on Syria, world did [W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Here's the truth:
    and...and...Who denies or seeks to spin the president's statements about the red line are either lying or patently ignorant of the facts.
    I'll say it again. The president did set a red line. His statement "I didn’t set a red line, the world set a red line. My credibility’s not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line. And America and Congress’s credibility’s on the line." was also not a lie. It was a rhetorical device. Poetic truth, if you will.

    The international community has repeatedly set its stance against the use of chemical weapons, as has the US government historically. Obama is trying here to get congress to intervene. He knows that congress doesn't like him. So, he reminds Congress that this isn't an "Obama" position, so much as a "Global Position since WWI" and a "US position".

    Again, I hope Obama fails to persuade Congress. I hope that the US stays out of this conflict. But I do not think this was a lie, per se.

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    re: Obama: I didn't draw the red line on Syria, world did [W:162]

    Whe does Obama only support action when it benefits a radical Islamic movement?

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