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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Contrary to what he says he did or didn't draw, here are his words exactly that was the inception of the use of red line in this instance:



    So let me get this straight...

    It's pretty clear the "We" being referenced here is the United States. Go read the transcript and see exactly how you can spin it as "Congress" or "The International Community". The fact that "we" are telling it to "every player in the region" makes it clear that said "we" can not be those players in the region because those people are being told about the red line rather than being the ones doing the telling.

    Additionally, if he's suddenly speaking on behalf of the entire national community as some world wide figure head then it begs to question regarding the repeated use of "my"; when did Barak Obama gain the authority to "change the calculous" for the International Community?

    No, it's blatantly clear that the "we" that was making the statement was that administration on behalf of America. The President set the Red Line in this instance. He may've set it in line with the general international feeling, he may've set it in a way that matches what other countries felt, but HE set THIS COUNTRIES Red Line for Syria at that moment when declaring it to the world. No one else. Him.
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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Contrary to what he says he did or didn't draw, here are his words exactly that was the inception of the use of red line in this instance:



    So let me get this straight...

    It's pretty clear the "We" being referenced here is the United States. Go read the transcript and see exactly how you can spin it as "Congress" or "The International Community". The fact that "we" are telling it to "every player in the region" makes it clear that said "we" can not be those players in the region because those people are being told about the red line rather than being the ones doing the telling.

    Additionally, if he's suddenly speaking on behalf of the entire national community as some world wide figure head then it begs to question regarding the repeated use of "my"; when did Barak Obama gain the authority to "change the calculous" for the International Community?

    No, it's blatantly clear that the "we" that was making the statement was that administration on behalf of America. The President set the Red Line in this instance. He may've set it in line with the general international feeling, he may've set it in a way that matches what other countries felt, but HE set THIS COUNTRIES Red Line for Syria at that moment when declaring it to the world. No one else. Him.
    It ain't his red line & it ain't his credibility.
    I'd say his approval rating oughta be hitting 40 real soon ... or maybe he'll tell us it's someone else's approval rating. We'll have to wait and see.

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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course, where was anyone when Saddam gassed the Kurds? Really, no one cared. And when Saddam used gas on Iran, we were cheering him on.
    That's not true. I cared very much when Hussein gassed the Kurds, and I remember vividly the photos. I still care. And I never cheered this pig on; I was only sorry that he was crafty enough to have body-doubles and to escape heaven only knows how many assassins from multiple countries.

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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's not true. I cared very much when Hussein gassed the Kurds, and I remember vividly the photos. I still care. And I never cheered this pig on; I was only sorry that he was crafty enough to have body-doubles and to escape heaven only knows how many assassins from multiple countries.
    Reagan arranged for Saddam to get the poisonous gas and the helicopters to deploy it. He had a penchant for providing WMD to our mortal enemies. Just like he armed the Ayatolla and the Nicaraguan death squads and the jihadists in Afghanistan. In fact he seems to have supported every politically criminal organization on the planet.

    And still, conservatives bow down at the altar of the Gipper. Makes you think maybe conservatism is morally bankrupt.

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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Reagan arranged for Saddam to get the poisonous gas and the helicopters to deploy it. He had a penchant for providing WMD to our mortal enemies. Just like he armed the Ayatolla and the Nicaraguan death squads and the jihadists in Afghanistan. In fact he seems to have supported every politically criminal organization on the planet.

    And still, conservatives bow down at the altar of the Gipper. Makes you think maybe conservatism is morally bankrupt.
    Interesting how you have to go back to Reagan to try and justify Obama. I don't recall Saddam Hussein using those chemical weapons against the Iranian people in a war where Iran attacked Iraq? Were you against Truman dropping the Atomic bomb on Japan in a war? Anything to try and support Obama, suppose the red line was the international community too and not stated by Obama? Suppose all the Obama economic results are the fault of someone else? Do you or Obama ever take responsibility for anything that happens under his watch? I would say liberalism is intellectually bankrupt and an economic failure as the results show and foreign policy isn't any better. There isn't an enemy of this country anywhere in the world that is afraid of Obama

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    re: Obama: I didn't draw the red line on Syria, world did [W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    All he has to do is acknowledge the truth that it was the rebels that used the gas and he is off the hook. What a maroon!
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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interesting how you have to go back to Reagan to try and justify Obama. I don't recall Saddam Hussein using those chemical weapons against the Iranian people in a war where Iran attacked Iraq? Were you against Truman dropping the Atomic bomb on Japan in a war? Anything to try and support Obama, suppose the red line was the international community too and not stated by Obama? Suppose all the Obama economic results are the fault of someone else? Do you or Obama ever take responsibility for anything that happens under his watch? I would say liberalism is intellectually bankrupt and an economic failure as the results show and foreign policy isn't any better. There isn't an enemy of this country anywhere in the world that is afraid of Obama
    You do realize you're speaking to the Master Memer don't you?
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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Reagan arranged for Saddam to get the poisonous gas and the helicopters to deploy it. He had a penchant for providing WMD to our mortal enemies. Just like he armed the Ayatolla and the Nicaraguan death squads and the jihadists in Afghanistan. In fact he seems to have supported every politically criminal organization on the planet.

    And still, conservatives bow down at the altar of the Gipper. Makes you think maybe conservatism is morally bankrupt.
    Lets see who you bow done too. A guy that will never take responsibility for anything, a guy that says he put down the red line but now denies it. A guy that has the black community unemployment higher than ever, a national debt that he has added to in just 4 yrs over 4 trillion, a guy that has no clue of economics. A guy that has no foreign policy experience, a guy that Putin tells him what to do. A guy that has the middle class making less money than before he took office. A guy who is the worst president in US history. This guy is your beloved Obama. The joke of the world. The world and the people of the US are laughing at this guys stupidity. And think, you voted for him.
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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Reagan arranged for Saddam to get the poisonous gas and the helicopters to deploy it. He had a penchant for providing WMD to our mortal enemies. Just like he armed the Ayatolla and the Nicaraguan death squads and the jihadists in Afghanistan. In fact he seems to have supported every politically criminal organization on the planet.

    And still, conservatives bow down at the altar of the Gipper. Makes you think maybe conservatism is morally bankrupt.
    This is "your" President, very well written

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    By Doug Patton September 5, 2013 6:55 am

    Congressional offices on Capitol Hill are reporting phone calls coming in at a rate of more than 200 to 1 against approving Obama’s plan to attack Syria.
    Patton: The Most Embarrassing President of My Lifetime

    “Speak softly and carry a big stick.” — Teddy Roosevelt
    “The buck stops here.” — Harry Truman
    “I didn’t set a red line.” — Barack Obama

    Barack Obama is, without question, the most embarrassing president of my lifetime — and that is saying something, since my life so far has encompassed 12 presidencies, some of which have brought a lot of embarrassment to the nation. Even Richard Nixon, with his Watergate scandal, Jimmy Carter, with his malaise, and Bill Clinton, with his lewd behavior in the Oval Office, could not top this president for pure, unadulterated disgrace.

    Of course, in Obama’s case, it is not a matter of personal scandal like it was for Clinton. By telling the world a year ago that he was drawing a red line in the hot desert sands of Syria — that red line being the use of chemical weapons — he created the debacle that currently threatens to engulf the Middle East. He blustered at the time that if the regime of Bashar al-Assad crosses that red line, there will be a price to pay. No one yet knows what that price will be, but from the current discussion, it appears that it will involve the destruction of at least three camels, four sheep, a half-dozen goats and an abandoned aspirin factory. That oughta show ‘em!

    What it will do, in all likelihood, is unify the Islamic crazies in the Middle East and turn Assad into a regional hero, emboldening him to attack Israel secure in the knowledge that the United States has no stomach for a wider war.

    Congressional offices on Capitol Hill are reporting phone calls coming in at a rate of more than 200 to 1 against approving Obama’s plan to attack Syria. Republican and Democrats alike are being bombarded with negative responses from their constituents. Still, there are those among the insulated legislative class — John McCain, Lindsay Graham, John Boehner, etc. — who have not gotten the message that the American people are about as enthusiastic about Obama’s proposed war plans as they are about undergoing a quadruple root canal. In fact the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted to approve a resolution to allow Obama to use force.

    Meanwhile, Facebook postings from members of our military are appearing with sentiments like this: “I didn’t join the Marine Corps to fight for al-Qaeda in a Syrian civil war.”

    Yet there was the ever-arrogant Barack Obama, standing at the podium in Stockholm on Wednesday, embarrassing himself yet again (and, by extension, the fools who elected him) by announcing in response to a reporter’s question about his crumbling credibility, “I didn’t set a red line. The world set a red line.”

    Obama is a symbol of much of today’s generation, which accepts no responsibility for anything. Therefore, when something goes wrong among his cockamamie plans, it must be someone else’s fault. Usually, of course, it would be George Bush’s fault, but even Obama couldn’t bring himself to tell that one again, not in this case. No, this time it’s the whole world’s fault. And Congress. And America. It’s American credibility that will suffer, he told the world, not his. Unbelievable.

    The questions that need to be asked are these: What is the national security interest of the United States of America in attacking Syria? Will our intervention accomplish anything more than assuaging the ego of an arrogant president who has no knowledge of military matters? Will the consequences for the wider region, and for the interests of the United States, be improved if we attack Syria? And the most frightening question: have we elected a president who so admires Islam and so hates Israel that he would deliberately aid al-Qaeda while provoking a brutal Arab tyrant to attack our tiny but crucial ally?

    I fear the answers to these questions are as follows: none; no; no; and, unfortunately, yes.

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    Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's not true. I cared very much when Hussein gassed the Kurds, and I remember vividly the photos. I still care. And I never cheered this pig on; I was only sorry that he was crafty enough to have body-doubles and to escape heaven only knows how many assassins from multiple countries.
    Thank you. I appreciate your comments. Of course people cared and some were very much outraged. Our political "leadership", however, was silent however, until 15 years later when it became cool to label Saddam a bad guy. From a political perspective, the US has never really be outraged about the use of chemical weapons. There is no basis to be suddenly outraged now.

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