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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    It's sort of like how the tea party wants the US to be run. States doing anything they want, and no central authority. It doesn't really work well, as the Eurozone has discovered. Not if you have a single currency.
    Imagine all those Red States in the South without their Federal subsidies.

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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The EU would have had some power except France was too proud to give up any sovereignty.
    As i recall, wasn't there some sort of an agreement between France and Germany at one time that they would share the power of the EU somehow?

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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    The big problem is that the Globalists will be able to do a lot more damage and hurt a lot more people before they are forcibly convinced to abandon their self serving fantasies of an elitist Nirvana.

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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    As i recall, wasn't there some sort of an agreement between France and Germany at one time that they would share the power of the EU somehow?
    France wanted to retain it's self-rule. Germany wanted to prevent hyperinflation like they experienced after WWI. They came to some sort of understanding.

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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelplate View Post
    Tell that to a low skilled worker living in NYC who has to take housing subsidies, food stamps and an Medicaid card just so they can be broke.
    A person has a choice when they live in a city like NYC - if you're low skilled, you either stay in school or go to school and upgrade your skills or you take your skills, such as they are, to another city or another state where those skills will be paid more conducive with the cost of living in the community. There are lots of jobs in the mid-west, lots of oil industry jobs, etc. If one is waiting for a minimum wage of $50/hr so they can live in NYC they're going to be waiting a long time.

    Bringing this back to Germany and Europe, I'd say the people there are quite good at picking up their lives and families and moving to places where they can build a better life for their families - we have lots of ex-German nationals in Canada as well as lots of other Europeans, particularly now we have lots of Eastern Europeans. If you're responsible for your own life and the safety and security of your family, you go where you can succeed.
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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    A person has a choice when they live in a city like NYC - if you're low skilled, you either stay in school or go to school and upgrade your skills or you take your skills, such as they are, to another city or another state where those skills will be paid more conducive with the cost of living in the community. There are lots of jobs in the mid-west, lots of oil industry jobs, etc. If one is waiting for a minimum wage of $50/hr so they can live in NYC they're going to be waiting a long time.

    Bringing this back to Germany and Europe, I'd say the people there are quite good at picking up their lives and families and moving to places where they can build a better life for their families - we have lots of ex-German nationals in Canada as well as lots of other Europeans, particularly now we have lots of Eastern Europeans. If you're responsible for your own life and the safety and security of your family, you go where you can succeed.
    They do? If you're flat broke, how do you move? Most of them are stuck where they are. Unless some gracious company is going to pay them to relocate. But figure the odds on that as a low skill worker.

    I love the "simple solutions" to complex problems that pretty much show that you guys don't look beyond your own noses.

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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelplate View Post
    They do? If you're flat broke, how do you move? Most of them are stuck where they are. Unless some gracious company is going to pay them to relocate. But figure the odds on that as a low skill worker.

    I love the "simple solutions" to complex problems that pretty much show that you guys don't look beyond your own noses.
    I love the "none solutions" to simple problems where in the richest, most prosperous, land of plenty people are stuck living in NYC and need the government to survive. They're paralized without hope or options, right? Funny though that a person living a subsistance existence in some hell hole in the third world is able to pack their meager belongings, with a few bucks in their pockets, with no English or very little, and travel all the way to the US or Canada and make a life for themselves and their families. I see it every day here in Toronto. I also see those who'd rather bitch and moan about life being unfair and just sit on their asses and not try to better themselves and their lives. Perhaps the biggest "complex problem" in western, first world economies today is the expectation of entitlement to a good, rich life without any need to work for it.
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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I love the "none solutions" to simple problems where in the richest, most prosperous, land of plenty people are stuck living in NYC and need the government to survive. They're paralized without hope or options, right? Funny though that a person living a subsistance existence in some hell hole in the third world is able to pack their meager belongings, with a few bucks in their pockets, with no English or very little, and travel all the way to the US or Canada and make a life for themselves and their families. I see it every day here in Toronto. I also see those who'd rather bitch and moan about life being unfair and just sit on their asses and not try to better themselves and their lives. Perhaps the biggest "complex problem" in western, first world economies today is the expectation of entitlement to a good, rich life without any need to work for it.
    You have a point. But there are a hell of a lot more poor citizens than there are immigrants from 3rd world hell holes. You see, we get to screen those people from third world hell holes and make sure they will be a good fit. We don't have that option for our own citizens.

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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelplate View Post
    You have a point. But there are a hell of a lot more poor citizens than there are immigrants from 3rd world hell holes. You see, we get to screen those people from third world hell holes and make sure they will be a good fit. We don't have that option for our own citizens.
    It's very true we don't have options with our citizens born in our country. And we do have choices on whom we let in. But I assume America is much like Canada in that we take in far more "refugees" than we do rich immigrants buying their way, through investments, into the country. Many coming across your southern border are in America not by America's choice and most of those are extremely poor with only their hands and their strong backs as assets in their new environment.

    I'd love to see every born here citizen of both our countries take advantage of the excellent educational opportunities afforded them regardless of where that education may lead them. No able bodied person of sound mind born in Canada or America needs to be "low skilled" and it's an embarrassment to them that are and an embarrassment to us as nations that they are when so many other people in the world literally will die trying to gain that same opportunity.
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    Re: Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    we do have universal health care, but it's not what most Americans think it is and it's not what most Europeans have. It covers the basics and catastrophic care, but so much of a person's normal healthcare needs are not covered and are either paid for out of pocket or paid for with supplemental health insurance either purchased individually or through employment.
    Sounds rational. What does Canadian politics look like compared to the U.S.? It's not uncommon to envision a reasonable government solution, it's just that neither of our incredible diverse TWO parties are so tragically absurd it rarely ever plays out reasonably.

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