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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Although I continue to believe that the U.S. should not intervene in Syria's civil war given the lack of critical U.S. interests involved, I believe odds probably favor the Syrian Army's use of chemical weapons. There is a degree of uncertainty, so I could be wrong. My thinking is as follows:

    President Assad's defense against the claims of his Army's using chemical weapons is that it had no need to use such weapons in a conflict that appeared to be slowly turning its way. With a UN team in place to investigate previous reports of small-scale use of chemical weapons, resorting to such weapons would have been particularly risky. Yet, scenarios for such use do exist. Under battlefield pressures, emotions can override reasoned judgment. One possibility might be that a Syrian army unit, with tactical authority to use such weapons, attempted to achieve a battlefield breakthrough. With the rebels having engaged in de facto “human shielding” by placing military objectives in close proximity to civilians in the past (http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBod...C.22.59_en.pdf), it is possible that the Syrian army unit targeted rebel forces rather than engaged in indiscriminate bombardment or deliberate targeting of civilians. All three possibilities--human shielding, indiscriminate bombardment, or deliberate targeting--would result in high civilian casualties.

    An alternative scenario would involve the anti-Assad forces deploying such weapons. There have been past reports of their possible access to and use of sarin (BBC News - UN's Del Ponte says evidence Syria rebels 'used sarin'). The major argument against such a scenario is that they lack the sophistication and means to deliver the kind of fairly large-scale attack that took place. A counterargument would be that they have been receiving more sophisticated missiles and other weapons in recent months so they might well have gained a capacity to deliver a larger-scale attack

    My best guess is that Syrian army forces very likely used such weapons in the attack in question, plausibly with an army unit responsible for the tactical decision rather than President Assad. With rebel units having a history of operating in close proximity to civilians (a war crime in itself), that situation is probably as plausible an explanation for the high toll suffered by civilians as indiscriminate fire or deliberate targeting.

    Had the rebels resorted to the use of such weapons, they would have been fired at the Syrian forces. While some fire might have missed, it is inconceivable that every missile fired by the rebels would have missed its target and impacted the affected area. Right now, I've seen no reports that a wider area was impacted in the attack in question. Despite the anti-Assad forces’ lack of regard for civilian protections—something they share with the Assad regime—it is probably very unlikely that the rebels would have deliberately attacked residents who back them. Either of those scenarios would be necessary to give the strongest support to the notion that the rebels were responsible for the attack. Additional scenarios exist, but the cumulative probability of those scenarios is probably very low and probability of individual scenarios even lower.

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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    It's the rebels, those Islamist extremists jihadists the US has been supporting. The guys that just stopped a civilian bus and chopped off every bodies heads, the ones that tie up civilians and shoot them execution style, the ones that park truck bombs near civilian targets, the ones that have sacked and burned Christian church's, the ones sniping UN personnel, that kidnap journalists. You know the real nasty ones that Russia has satellite imagery of gassing civilians.

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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    We have no idea how many rockets were fired, or how much Sarin was deployed. Also there are environmental elements; wind distribution, concentration of the agent between buildings and disbursement patterns due to both.

    My only reason to show the picture, was to prove that multiple and simplistic delivery systems exist, and to believe what the Administration is saying (that it does not) is just incorrect.

    There are also higher capacity delivery systems available for use in the region by non-government elements.

    Not arguing with you, just pointing out that the possibility exists, and it is not a far fetched possibility.

    On another subject, I cannot believe that the US government is stating that they "so not want to go to War" in Syria, but are stating in the same breath that they do want to fire missiles at Syria. The last time I checked, firing upon another sovereign nation is an Act of War. They would have every right declaring war against the US, and having their allies do the same, if we do attack them.


    The Syrian Rebels were just touting their new home grown ballistic missile system a few weeks ago with the announcement "Unleash Hell":

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    This rocket delivers a 120kg warhead. Two of those would be more than sufficient to deliver the amount of Sarin gas used in the attack.

    This announcement came about a week before the Sarin attack.

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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    There are photos on this forum showing rebel artillery fitted with a blue gas canister. Just like they were launched in WWI, Links indicating Saudi Prince Bandar has provided the gas. The UNO report by Carla del Ponte indicting the rebels for the gas attack in December. Do you have to be whacked up side the noodle with a gas canister to get the picture?
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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's see'em
    Several have posted them, search.

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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Several have posted them, search.
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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not doing you job for you.
    It wouldn't be doing my job, whatever that means. Several pictures are on several threads, if you cared to see them you'd go look, but you would prefer that Assad would be blamed so that US bombing can commence so that you can get your coke and popcorn and be entertained.

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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    US bombing can commence so that you can get your coke and popcorn and be entertained
    That's right I wanna see my tax dollars at work!

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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It wouldn't be doing my job, whatever that means. Several pictures are on several threads, if you cared to see them you'd go look, but you would prefer that Assad would be blamed so that US bombing can commence so that you can get your coke and popcorn and be entertained.
    Post one, then. I think you won't because you know it proves nothing.
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    Re: Rebels are to blame for gas attacks? (Syria)

    Well, if WW3 is at stake, and leaders do see and have calculated the risks, and the risks outweigh the benefits, then what the heck, okay the Syrian rebels gassed their own!
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