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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake McHugh View Post
    I'm not hopeful. Kerry and especially Hagel,who to me appears to have had a liquid lunch,were unimpressive in their arguments,bordering on being bellicose. Still,the senate is a "club"and Kerry and Hagel are former members. You also have the fact that Dems have shown 0 independence of thought when it comes to supporting Obama,to an almost North Korean level. Add in the old,tired GOp warhorses and I fear it passes. Hope I am wrong.
    Vote against...Make that coward Obama make a decision for once in his life...Then if things go wrong he can't blame congress like he blames President Bush
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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    But if it goes wrong it makes no difference. Libya "went wrong." Egypt "went wrong. Not of that changes who does and doesn't support Obama.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    Kerry told them straight to their face that it doesn't matter what they vote for, the administration will do what it wants.

    They are being used for political cover if they vote yes, and a punching bag if they vote no.

    Congress should have figured that out already, but its a shame that they are too focused on inter-party fighting to see what they've been turned into. The executive determined long before this action that Congress can be circumvented and they will not fight it.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How could filibuster be a consideration in a matter of life and death. This is about determining who used chemical weapons. The participants on this board know more about the actual chemical weapon use than Congress will know after the relevant info is obfuscated and massaged for their consumption. Shameful! This should be an issue of logical discussion and human ideals.
    This has nothing to do with the use of chemical weapons. In the 1980's the US encouraged Saddam (an ally of the reagan crew) to use chemical gas weapons on Iranian troops who were about to score a massive victory over Iraq in the Iraq Iran war. We ghave Saddam the location to use the weapons, and there is a good possibility we sold him those weapons. The US has been known, since the issuance of a ban on chemical weapons, to use white phosphorus attacks on our enemies. The US has sat idly by and done absolutely nothing and even defended Isreal when they used white phosphorus on their own people in the Gaza strip. These are facts well known by the people of the middle east and muslims in that area who have been directly effected by the US and it's allies use of chemical weapions over the years, and it's lack of any negative reprocussions to people who have used those weapons. Now you expect that Syria is going to take a few missiles and say oopsie my bad that was very evil of me and I see your point and will stop immediately because it is much worse when syria does it than when iraq, isreal, and america does it? That is the message you think these people are going to get? The US is in no position to be sending any message about tolerance in regards to the use of chemical weapons for humanitarian purposes. That is even ignoring the past 10 years of massive Islamic casualties of non-combatants and rescue people. That idea the US is some sort of honorable defender or right who can do no wrong is a load of BS, and the Syrians are not going to get that message when you can barely keep it up in america anymore.

    This is not about life and death or the security of the world. this is a civil war which most often we could not give a damn about as people are being brutally slaughtered, raped, and murdered in many countries. Take the fake outrage and put it in the pile of BS in the corner, and stop trying to excuse your ignorance and warmongering with patriotic ignorance and sycophantic insanity. No one is buying it any more but the most devout of the voluntarily blind.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Kerry told them straight to their face that it doesn't matter what they vote for, the administration will do what it wants.

    They are being used for political cover if they vote yes, and a punching bag if they vote no.

    Congress should have figured that out already, but its a shame that they are too focused on inter-party fighting to see what they've been turned into. The executive determined long before this action that Congress can be circumvented and they will not fight it.
    Then congress should vote no and the reps should do what they planned and impeach obama for acting without their authority by using military force in a situation he admits was not an immediate threat to the US. They should make it blatantly obvious to him that he will abide by congressional decision since there is no threat to the US or face impeachment. That will quiet his ass down.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Then congress should vote no and the reps should do what they planned and impeach obama for acting without their authority by using military force in a situation he admits was not an immediate threat to the US. They should make it blatantly obvious to him that he will abide by congressional decision since there is no threat to the US or face impeachment. That will quiet his ass down.
    That would be AWESOME, of course we both know that's not going to happen. Sounds really good though!!

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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    I would like to see Filibuster this and maybe he will try to break the record for the ongest filibuster.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    This has nothing to do with the use of chemical weapons. In the 1980's the US encouraged Saddam (an ally of the reagan crew) to use chemical gas weapons on Iranian troops who were about to score a massive victory over Iraq in the Iraq Iran war. We ghave Saddam the location to use the weapons, and there is a good possibility we sold him those weapons. The US has been known, since the issuance of a ban on chemical weapons, to use white phosphorus attacks on our enemies. The US has sat idly by and done absolutely nothing and even defended Isreal when they used white phosphorus on their own people in the Gaza strip. These are facts well known by the people of the middle east and muslims in that area who have been directly effected by the US and it's allies use of chemical weapions over the years, and it's lack of any negative reprocussions to people who have used those weapons. Now you expect that Syria is going to take a few missiles and say oopsie my bad that was very evil of me and I see your point and will stop immediately because it is much worse when syria does it than when iraq, isreal, and america does it? That is the message you think these people are going to get? The US is in no position to be sending any message about tolerance in regards to the use of chemical weapons for humanitarian purposes. That is even ignoring the past 10 years of massive Islamic casualties of non-combatants and rescue people. That idea the US is some sort of honorable defender or right who can do no wrong is a load of BS, and the Syrians are not going to get that message when you can barely keep it up in america anymore.

    This is not about life and death or the security of the world. this is a civil war which most often we could not give a damn about as people are being brutally slaughtered, raped, and murdered in many countries. Take the fake outrage and put it in the pile of BS in the corner, and stop trying to excuse your ignorance and warmongering with patriotic ignorance and sycophantic insanity. No one is buying it any more but the most devout of the voluntarily blind.
    Do you have any evidence at all to back up that bolded claim? If so, produce it. If not you should retract that slander.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I would like to see Filibuster this and maybe he will try to break the record for the ongest filibuster.
    I think he's more interested in preventing the US from another illegal war of aggression, not set a record.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think he's more interested in preventing the US from another illegal war of aggression, not set a record.
    Doesn't mean he can't do both.

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