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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you want me to play into the conspiracy theories? Thanks, but I'll stick to reality.

    Wow, PNAC is a conspiracy? I suppose its also a conspiracy that while he was yet governor of Texas Bush said that when he's president, if he gets the chance to go into Iraq, he won't screw up like his dad did, he'll go all the way to Baghdad and take Saddam Hussein out?

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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you want me to play into the conspiracy theories? Thanks, but I'll stick to reality.
    The "Project for the New American Century" is not a conspiracy theory, but was an influential think tank that designed much of the policies of the Bush administration and many members of the administration were involved in it.
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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow, PNAC is a conspiracy? I suppose its also a conspiracy that while he was yet governor of Texas Bush said that when he's president, if he gets the chance to go into Iraq, he won't screw up like his dad did, he'll go all the way to Baghdad and take Saddam Hussein out?
    Link? Thanks!
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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Link? Thanks!

    Well German gave you the PNAC link and here's the other.

    In 1999, Mickey Herskowitz is hired to ghostwrite a campaign autobiography for George W. Bush, an assignment that was later withdrawn. Herskowitz later spoke about Bush for an article by journalist Russ Baker: “He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999... It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ ”

    "According to Herskowitz, Bush’s beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House – ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. “Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade.”

    "Bush’s circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: “They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches.” (Guerrilla News Network)

    http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/m...meline_613.htm

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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well German gave you the PNAC link and here's the other.

    In 1999, Mickey Herskowitz is hired to ghostwrite a campaign autobiography for George W. Bush, an assignment that was later withdrawn. Herskowitz later spoke about Bush for an article by journalist Russ Baker: “He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999... It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ ”

    "According to Herskowitz, Bush’s beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House – ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. “Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade.”

    "Bush’s circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: “They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches.” (Guerrilla News Network)
    So, now link quoting Bush? Gasp! No links at all! Now, why am I not surprised?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    What are you talking about?



    A number of administration insiders have revealed that Bush actually intended to invade Iraq long before he made these claims — even before 9/11. Osama Siblani, the publisher of an Arab-American newspaper, has said that Bush told him while still a candidate that he was going to “take Saddam out” if he became president. Richard Clarke, Bush’s counterterrorism advisor, has said that the administration “had been planning to do something about Iraq from before the time they came into office,” and that they were looking for a causus belli as early as March, 2001. And then, of course, Mickey Herskowitz, Bush’s ghostwriter, has claimed that Bush’s need to be seen as a capable commander-in-chief led him to decide to invade Iraq as early as 1999:
    It was on his mind. He said to me: “One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.” And he said, “My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.” He said, “If I have a chance to invade, if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.”


    http://opiniojuris.org/2007/05/12/su...aq-before-911/

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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah I know how you feel German Guy.....myself I haven't been going with just one or two sides of the story.

    Associated Press 3 hrs ago

    Syria is said to be hiding weapons, moving troops

    The main Western-backed opposition group says that during the buildup last week to what seemed like an imminent U.S. attack, the army moved troops as well as rocket launchers, artillery and other heavy weapons into residential neighborhoods in cities nationwide. Three Damascus residents, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, confirmed such movements.

    A U.S. official confirmed there are indications that the Syrian regime is taking steps to move some of its military equipment and bolster protection for defense facilities.

    The official, who was not authorized to discuss intelligence matters and spoke on condition of anonymity, said that at this point, the U.S. has the information it needs to maintain a good handle on what the regime is doing to prepare.....snip~

    Syria is said to be hiding weapons, moving troops
    Good evening, MMC.

    I was once told to believe nothing I hear, and only half of what I see. Well, using that as a yardstick, I'm having a difficult time reconciling two sides of the same problem. If this story from the AP is correct that the Assad regime is moving troops and military equipment into residential neighborhoods, that sounds to me that just the threat that we might follow through seemed to work. On the other hand, there are the rebels who might actually relish the chaos that would follow. Not that they would openly show what actions they are taking in this interim period. Oh no. They would be secretly doing the exact same thing. So I guess my point is why should I believe that only the regime is doing what they must to survive? Even if we are not respected, as some state, we are still feared. Maybe that is the best we can hope for.

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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, MMC.

    I was once told to believe nothing I hear, and only half of what I see. Well, using that as a yardstick, I'm having a difficult time reconciling two sides of the same problem. If this story from the AP is correct that the Assad regime is moving troops and military equipment into residential neighborhoods, that sounds to me that just the threat that we might follow through seemed to work. On the other hand, there are the rebels who might actually relish the chaos that would follow. Not that they would openly show what actions they are taking in this interim period. Oh no. They would be secretly doing the exact same thing. So I guess my point is why should I believe that only the regime is doing what they must to survive? Even if we are not respected, as some state, we are still feared. Maybe that is the best we can hope for.
    Hiya Polgara. Well.....they have said the Opposition has pulled back their people as well. Looks like they don't want to become casualties of the Punishment either.

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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    For those who think the Pope is off his rocker, just remember, WWI started after one person was killed.
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    Re: Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    For those who think the Pope is off his rocker, just remember, WWI started after one person was killed.
    And Hitler was on the cover of a 1936 Time Magazine as man of the year!

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