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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I do pretty much agree with your commentary but I don't think Israel benefits from the Syrian body count, particularly the civilians who seem to be getting the short end here.

    Also, I question that we are "supporting Al Qaeda". I doubt we are "supporting" anyone beyond our weapon manufacturers. Every President is obligated to have a war or two during their term and historically, we never really win anything (possible exception was the Gulf War 1 where we came, saw, conquered and departed) but billions change hands among a small, select group. Business as usual.
    I wasn't speaking of each dead body individually being a benefit to israel.
    israel benefits by the overall turmoil and division in the area because it keeps them away from focusing on destroying israel.

    I agree. The only people benefiting is business and weapons mfgr.s..

    If we arm/support both sides, they make 2x as much money.

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    I'll play!
    Boehner is a RINO.

    IMO we have no reason to bother with Syria!
    Liberals were all for dictators gassing their own people (Iraq) before they were against it

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I don't think it's necessary, but with Republican backing it will happen. With Congressional approval which will blow some minds here.

    How many posts until Boehner and Cantor get called "RINOs?"
    I don't think that will happen - Boehner was on record before as being supportive but indicated that neither he nor the Republican leadership in the House would whip up the vote for this and it was up to Obama and the administration to muster the votes.

    To my knowledge, you're only a RINO if you support financial and social positions that are counter to the mainstream Republican platform. Supporting a President proposing military action in the name of national defense would not make you a RINO at all.
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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn
    ..... a President proposing military action in the name of national defense....
    National defense? Say What? We might attack syria to protect our nation (u.s.) ?
    I need to have that explained to me?

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Article is here.



    OK, it's good that Boehner, along with Cantor, are putting aside differences to back Obama on this............. But do we really need to do this? That is the question. Whatever intel Obama showed Boehner, it evidently persuaded him. However, Obama needs to persuade the American people, and keeping the reasons secret from the American people is not going to cut it.

    Obama, show the American people what you have. We demand it.
    I have been upset with Boehner from the beginning. The guy is the antithesis of say one thing then do another because it is politically expedient....the "see, we worked with you now work with us" compromises he always gets booted in the face with doesnt work...unless you are getting your part of the deal first, you get screwed. Boehner still hasnt learned that lesson yet, and how many years has it been?

    He is a big government Republican - a liberal republican - not a RINO but a true Republican. Cantor I would have been shocked about him siding with the use of force a year or two ago...but he is also showing that he is nothing more than a big government republican too.

    Big government Republican, big government Democrat...one and the same...blah blah blah.

    No sense making demands to them for proof, they only ignore us then tell us it is in our National Defense's best interest...we are supposed to fall in line with their rhetoric and follow them like lemmings.
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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    National defense? Say What? We might attack syria to protect our nation (u.s.) ?
    I need to have that explained to me?
    It's not for me to explain - your President claims that the military action against Syrian targets is in the US national interest and in defense of US interests in the region. If you don't believe your President, and I wouldn't blame you, insist that he explain himself clearly, fully, and directly to you, the citizens of the country. My point was simple - Boehner and other Republicans supporting any President who claims a need for congressional sanction of military action in the national interest are not being RINO's, they are simply being patriots.
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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    I have been upset with Boehner from the beginning. The guy is the antithesis of say one thing then do another because it is politically expedient.....
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be a good thing??
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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    National defense? Say What? We might attack syria to protect our nation (u.s.) ?
    I need to have that explained to me?
    Good afternoon, P. Kersey.

    Some of the President's comments are certainly hard to understand! This one seems to be a bit an overreach, though. Now if he had said Russia, that might be worth considering.

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, P. Kersey.

    Some of the President's comments are certainly hard to understand! This one seems to be a bit an overreach, though. Now if he had said Russia, that might be worth considering.
    Hi ya polgara! Hope you're doing well today.

    obama will say just about anything..and say it in soothing, reasonable tones so that the most overt lies seem plausible and the sycophants nod and clap and cheer.


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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Or the Cloward-Piven strategy...
    This is his main tactic

    "manufacturing a crisis and then implementing a solution that actually makes the crisis much worse and moreover, makes implementation of a real solution to the crisis next to impossible; and every solution to the crisis must invariably entail purposefully overwhelming federal government programs in an effort to cause those programs and the federal government to implode under its own weight"

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