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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your constitution is only as powerful and as weak as the citizens of your country allow it to be. If the President, and the congress, agree that attacking Syria or any other country is a preemptive or defensive strike to protect the US, who's going to challenge that decision? Are you or someone else going to take the government to court? Do you think the Supreme Court would overrule congress and the President when it comes to national defense?

    In my view, the only time that happens is if the President and congress disagreed.
    Well I will certainly agree with you on that. So many Americans don't know and/or don't care what the constitution says. Presidents have violated it without repercussions many times, its considered a god damn piece of paper that gets in the way of policy, its been treated as something that could be used to wipe ones ass, but it doesn't change what it is and it's guiding principles. I can assure you CJ that reaching halfway around the world and attacking a country that has not threatened or attacked us is a violation of our constitution as well as subsequent legislation.

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your constitution is only as powerful and as weak as the citizens of your country allow it to be. If the President, and the congress, agree that attacking Syria or any other country is a preemptive or defensive strike to protect the US, who's going to challenge that decision? Are you or someone else going to take the government to court? Do you think the Supreme Court would overrule congress and the President when it comes to national defense?

    In my view, the only time that happens is if the President and congress disagreed.
    Sometimes I am envious of your parliamentary system.

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake McHugh View Post
    Sometimes I am envious of your parliamentary system.
    Perhaps one of the best benefits of our system is that the Prime Minister is just one vote in the House of Commons and as the leader of the government is held to account during question period each day the House sits. While generally speaking, all members of the governing party vote in lock-step with the leader, he/she can be replaced by the members of the governing party and that has happened many times in our past. Likewise, no Prime Minister can involve Canada in a war without the expressed consent of the House of Commons.

    Your system benefits from a "separation of powers" until such time as one of the "powers" tries to overstep their rights and powers. Our system benefits from a mixing of powers until such time as we have a minority government and nobody can agree on anything.

    Democracy, either a republic or parliamentary, is sometimes messy and moreso when men and women don't act within their powers.
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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria
    You know, I have long said that it does not matter what Obama wants, the GOP will obstruct. I mean, as I have said many times before, Obama could find the cure for cancer or stop world hunger and the GOP would filibuster. That's what they do. The party of "No." The do-nothing bunch. Those partisan hacks with such a hatred for the black Obama, they can't think or see straight. Their hatred for him is stronger than their love for country, as we have seen so many times.

    I have come to expect that. In fact, on this issue, attacking Syria, I was hoping the GOP would hold their course and go against Obama's desire to attack Syria.

    But noooooooooooo........

    On this, they will support him. I guess their hate for Obama does not overcome their love for war. What was I thinking in the first place? The GOP say "No," to a war? No way.

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    You know, I have long said that it does not matter what Obama wants, the GOP will obstruct. I mean, as I have said many times before, Obama could find the cure for cancer or stop world hunger and the GOP would filibuster. That's what they do. The party of "No." The do-nothing bunch. Those partisan hacks with such a hatred for the black Obama, they can't think or see straight. Their hatred for him is stronger than their love for country, as we have seen so many times.

    I have come to expect that. In fact, on this issue, attacking Syria, I was hoping the GOP would hold their course and go against Obama's desire to attack Syria.

    But noooooooooooo........

    On this, they will support him. I guess their hate for Obama does not overcome their love for war. What was I thinking in the first place? The GOP say "No," to a war? No way.
    Not to worry as the antithesis is also applicable. If the GOP says 'go to war' Obama will do the opposite and...do nothing.

    ...which is what he wants ultimately.
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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Not to worry as the antithesis is also applicable. If the GOP says 'go to war' Obama will do the opposite and...do nothing.

    ...which is what he wants ultimately.
    We will only hope your right about that.

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I guess their hate for Obama does not overcome their love for war. What was I thinking in the first place? The GOP say "No," to a war? No way.
    It wouldn't be like them to support the highly unfavorable war as they know later on in time it will be fully owned by Obama. That would just make 2016 like taking candy from a baby.
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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It wouldn't be like them to support the highly unfavorable war as they know later on in time it will be fully owned by Obama. That would just make 2016 like taking candy from a baby.
    Partisan First.
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    I'm sure they will make sure just enough of them vote for the war to make sure it happen but not so many as to be a majority.

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Article is here.



    OK, it's good that Boehner, along with Cantor, are putting aside differences to back Obama on this............. But do we really need to do this? That is the question. Whatever intel Obama showed Boehner, it evidently persuaded him. However, Obama needs to persuade the American people, and keeping the reasons secret from the American people is not going to cut it.

    Obama, show the American people what you have. We demand it.
    Boner and Cantor are idiots. Anyone that votes for it should be run out of office.

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    Re: House Speaker John Boehner will support strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It wouldn't be like them to support the highly unfavorable war as they know later on in time it will be fully owned by Obama. That would just make 2016 like taking candy from a baby.
    Partisan First.
    Back pockets Second.
    American people Third.
    Are you kidding me? Obama does not even fully own the "red line" idea anymore.

    Obama railed constantly against the "Bush" tax rates and yet kept 98.6% of them exactly the same - he did bump taxes for the top 1.4% but that (and more) was spent in the first month of 2013. Is it not very, very odd that nobody seems to care how much this "mini war" is going to cost? That's right, it is a "crisis" so it doesn't have to be subject to any "pay as you go" spending offsets. Why no discussion of reopening the White House for tours (or stopping that other evil sequestration) if we are so flush with cash now that we can start a "mini war"?
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