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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    Israel needs us. They understand the power of the oval office and will go along with whatever the loser in charge says.

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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    "It's hard to identify who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. Probably they are all bad guys," Shai said. "The interest of Israel is that no one will attack Israel and we will not be involved in any way." .....snip~

    This ^^^^^.....pretty much says it all. They know Assad wont attack them. But at least they see it for what it is. No good guys anywhere in the Syrian mix.

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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    You may be reading more into this than is really there. Perhaps the major point being expressed, by Israel's leaders, is that if the U.S. breaks its word about the "red line" in Syria then they may also do so with regard to Iran getting nukes.
    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    So would I.

    Maybe it's because Al Qaeda has never been that big of a threat to Israel ?

    At least with Assad in power, Israel knows who they are dealing with. So it doesn't make any sense.
    I think everyone who isn't Jewish and is in the Middle East is pretty much a threat to Israel. I suspect every country outside of Israel would love to see Israel gone.

    But to your point, I am not sure how much of Al Qaeda is a threat to anyone right now. I really think some other players right now have much bigger numbers, more money, and therefore more access to weapons and people that would do Israel harm.

    I also agree with you about Assad. Sometimes the enemy you know is WAY BETTER than the enemy you do not know. At least with Assad, Israel could reasonably predict what he was up to and what the threat level is. Imagine Al Qaeda with chemical or biological WMD's. That would really destabilize the Middle East.

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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    If they want it so bad, they can use their own damn bombers. Between 1993 and 2003, we gave them 262 F-16s and F-15s which are both fully capable of carrying out precision strikes with the billions of dollars of air to surface ordnance we've given them. Not sold, gave. We give them billions in military and financial support, and they're still magically incapable of doing their own dirty work, unless it involves tracking some old nazi down on the other end of the Earth.
    You are way off base. USA wants Israel to ask for permission before doing anything in the Middle East, so the Oval Office bribes Israel with weapons and other military technologies. If tomorrow morning USA stopped giving a penny to Israel I would be very happy. Then folks like myself could send after-tax dollars to Israel to offset the loss, no non-Jews would have to spend their tax dollars on Israel, and Israel would no longer be beholden to the Oval Office. The only down side for USA is that their oil interests in the Middle East might be on shakier ground; but that's a non-issue soon enough because in 10 to 20 years USA will be a net exporter of oil. So I really would prefer we gave Israel nothing via USA tax dollars.

    Case in point - remember back during Desert Storm when we were bombing Saddam back to the stone age and he randomly started shooting missiles into Israel even though Israel had nothing whatsoever to do with that UN action? USA begged Israel to stay out of it. Had Israel not been beholden to the requests of our POTUS because we bribe her with $3 billion in yearly arms, she could have dropped a few dozen nuclear weapons on Iraq and called it a day. Then 10 years later our USA troops would not have had to go onto the ground searching for the WMD's that Saddam had long since sent to Syria.

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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You may be reading more into this than is really there. Perhaps the major point being expressed, by Israel's leaders, is that if the U.S. breaks its word about the "red line" in Syria then they may also do so with regard to Iran getting nukes.
    You might be correct TTWTT. I wonder how important the USA-Iran relationship really is to Israel. Clearly she can protect herself even if she has to go against Iran alone. Since she never signed any of those arms limiting treaties, it is believed that she could not only have upwards of 400 nuclear weapons deployed but that she also has Neutron Bombs. BTW - I have also read multiple times that Israel has chemical and offensive biological weapons capabilities. So should Israel even care what USA wants to do about Syria and Iran?

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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I also agree with you about Assad. Sometimes the enemy you know is WAY BETTER than the enemy you do not know. At least with Assad, Israel could reasonably predict what he was up to and what the threat level is. Imagine Al Qaeda with chemical or biological WMD's. That would really destabilize the Middle East.
    If Assad's air defenses are neutralized, that more air space for Israeli aircraft to fly through while conducting an air strike on Iran. Iraq's air defense is no threat to israel.

    I hope someone has informed Obama that it very likely that Assads air defenses has Russian soldiers operating those defenses. That Russian Bear is out of hibernation.

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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I hope someone has informed Obama that it very likely that Assads air defenses has Russian soldiers operating those defenses. That Russian Bear is out of hibernation.
    Not to worry - check out this article:

    Russia "Evacuates" Syria Naval Base

    eports from today indicate that Russia has recently pulled it’s personnel from Syria due to the security situation and for diplomatic reasons.

    In an interview with the Al-Hayat newspaper, Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov said:

    Presently, the Russian Defense Ministry has not a single person stationed in Syria. The base does not have any strategic military importance.

    Additionally, Russia Today, in an article published recently, reports:

    Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister says all personnel had been evacuated from the navy resupply base in Tartus, Syria, adding that not a single Russian military serviceman remained in the country.

    Social media is abuzz with the implications of such a move. The two primary opinions among commentators are that Russia has scrambled to abandon Syria and/or that [as a result], the green light has been given for possible intervention by other state actors, specifically America and it’s allies.

    The use of the word “evacuate” in Russia Today’s article compounds the panicked response by readers, who assume Russia’s decision, whenever it was made, was in a scramble to abandon Syria in a surrender to international pressure. Additionally, the Western media promoted view of a Syrian government with it’s back against the wall, it’s days numbered and as a “sinking ship”, further solidifies the inappropriate perceptions and responses.

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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    If Assad's air defenses are neutralized, that more air space for Israeli aircraft to fly through while conducting an air strike on Iran. Iraq's air defense is no threat to israel.

    I hope someone has informed Obama that it very likely that Assads air defenses has Russian soldiers operating those defenses. That Russian Bear is out of hibernation.
    Good evening, APACHERAT!

    "That Russian bear is out of hibernation"...




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    re: With eye on Iran, Israelis seek US action in Syria [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Not to worry - check out this article:

    Russia "Evacuates" Syria Naval Base

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    Your link is a pro rebel organization.

    What I have read that the Russian Tartus naval base has been rinforced by Russian Marines.
    There are tens of thousands of Russian civilians living in Syria and if they have to be evacuated it would be through the Russian naval base at Tartus.

    >" MOSCOW, June 28 (Xinhua) -- Moscow denied on Friday the reported closure of the Russian embassy in Damascus and evacuation of a naval base in Syria's Tartus.

    "These rumors are speculations and provocations aimed at preparing public opinion for the attempts to change the (Syrian) regime," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters after talks with his Moroccan counterpart Saad-Eddine El Othmani."<
    Russia denies closure of embassy, naval base in Syria - Xinhua | English.news.cn

    Russian marines deploy to Syria to protect naval base at Tartus:


    August 3, 2012

    A Russian defense ministry source admitted in an interview with CBS news that Russia is sending three Navy ships, each carrying about 120 marinesto reinforce its naval base in Syria.

    The marines are in place to assist in the possible evacuation of the Russian naval base in Tartus if it “comes under attack” (see article: Source: Russia sending three military ships to Syria...
    Their mission is to protect and defend the base if it comes under attack.

    Russian marines deploy to Syria to protect naval base at Tartus - Wichita Military Affairs | Examiner.com

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