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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Are rebels noted for acting responsibility? They are the ones who used chemical weapons, according to the UN investigation, not the government! Having accomplished what they intended to do, they'll slither back into their hidey-holes now, while others die. Cowards!

    The UN investigation was intended only to confirm if chemical weapons were used, not who used them. Where did you get your information?

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, MMC!

    They might consider the use of a technicality in a situation where many non-combatant women and children are likely to die? What "technicality" might cover that horror? Don't you have to have a logical reason to invade or bomb another sovereign country these days, other than that your leader misspoke, or was misunderstood, or was baited into acting irresponsibly? If Syria was that important to BHO, why didn't he act two years ago, when thousands upon thousands were dying in Syria? That ought to go over well! :
    Evening Polgara .....well the French said they don't need a technicality. They just need to go and punish Assad and according to them, everything is Sauve-wa-faire. Kinda like.....we don't need no stickin badges.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The UN investigation was intended only to confirm if chemical weapons were used, not who used them. Where did you get your information?
    There have been several posters who have listed links in the past several days, which indicated the UN stated that rebels were responsible. I didn't bookmark them, but they were posted. The administration did ask that we wait for the UN report.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin CJ .....it would appear Obama is going thru the formality. I think sending the Nimitz and it's Entire Strike Group to the Red Sea. May put things into perspective.


    OBAMA'S DILEMMA

    This is squarely now in the hands of Congress," Kerry told CNN, saying he had confidence lawmakers "will do what is right because they understand the stakes."

    In a round of television appearances, Kerry declined to say whether Obama would proceed with military action if Congress rejects his request, as Britain's parliament did last week.

    He echoed Obama's comments in the White House Rose Garden on Saturday, insisting the president had the right to act on his own if he chooses that course.

    Obama is taking a gamble by putting the brakes on the military assault he considers essential to maintain U.S. credibility after he had said the use of chemical weapons would constitute a "red line" for the United States.

    U.S. military officials are using the delay to reassess which ships will be used for a strike, and which sites in Syria to target. One change was a decision to send the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier and its entire strike group toward the Red Sea to help support the Syria strike, if needed.

    Underscoring a sense of wariness even from Obama's traditional allies, many Democrats joined Republicans in saying the use-of-force resolution offered by the White House is too broad and that new language will be written for consideration.

    Several said they wanted it to include strict time limits, guarantee that no U.S. troops would be sent into Syria, and tie authorization for any further military action to additional chemical weapons use by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    "The president said this is going to be limited. Yet that's an open-ended authorization to just about do anything he wants," said Democratic Senator Tom Harkin.

    "The resolution as it is right now is so open-ended that it gives a blanket authority with no time limits. You can't accept it just on its face," said Republican Representative Dennis Ross. "Now we have to look at what is the exit strategy if we do a strike, and I don't know if we're going to do that.".....snip~

    Obama and aides confront skeptical Congress on Syria strike

    I think some of Obamas Democrats and what they are saying with Republicans about not giving Obama an Open Commitment would be the Smart way to go. Also I would echo those that have stated.....why should we go when there really is no International Support.

    Myself.....I say since the French are all skippy and fresh to jump. Then let them Jump alone. Let them pay for things on their own. Just like the rest of the Big Boys, when they feelin' their Wheaties.
    Once you allow Obama to proceed, it will be extremely difficult to stop him. Maybe even impossible.
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Evening Polgara .....well the French said they don't need a technicality. They just need to go and punish Assad and according to them, everything is Sauve-wa-faire. Kinda like.....we don't need no stickin badges.
    Are the French sending their aircraft carrier?
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Are the French sending their aircraft carrier?
    No but they did send their Destroyer the Paul Chevalier from Toulon to Syria. Plus they moved their largest transport ship to Toulon.


    French warship leaves Toulon for Syria

    A military ship left the port of Toulon on the morning of 29th August, dispatched in the direction of Syria as Western countries appear to prepare for action against Bachar Al Assad’s regime. The ship will reportedly support allies aircrafts in case they decide to launch air strikes in coming weeks.



    The Chevalier Paul is one of the most modern warships in the French Navy. The ship is set to join an international fleet already settled off the coast of Syria, which includes four American missile launcher frigates as well as several nuclear submarines sent out both by the American and British forces.....snip~

    French warship leaves Toulon for Syria - The Riviera Times Online

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Are the French sending their aircraft carrier?
    They really should. It's great for them that they have such great government services like healthcare, but it seems to me that by being the sole remaining superpower we are subsidizing their standard of living, along with other European allies, by fronting the military, allowing them to keep their military small and spending the money instead on social services. Isn't that why we had to take over in Libya? Our allies ran out of missiles?

    I really hope that our allies can bear a bit more of the burden in the next century so that we can scale down our forces and use some of that money for the American people.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No but they did send their Destroyer the Paul Chevalier from Toulon to Syria. Plus they moved their largest transport ship to Toulon.


    French warship leaves Toulon for Syria

    A military ship left the port of Toulon on the morning of 29th August, dispatched in the direction of Syria as Western countries appear to prepare for action against Bachar Al Assad’s regime. The ship will reportedly support allies aircrafts in case they decide to launch air strikes in coming weeks.



    The Chevalier Paul is one of the most modern warships in the French Navy. The ship is set to join an international fleet already settled off the coast of Syria, which includes four American missile launcher frigates as well as several nuclear submarines sent out both by the American and British forces.....snip~

    French warship leaves Toulon for Syria - The Riviera Times Online
    We'll see if they're willing to pull the trigger.
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    I got a question!

    What would be the point of bombing Syria now? With all of this discussion they would have certainly moved all of their ammo, intelligence, soldiers, etc.

    Exactly what would we be achieving?

    And don't get me wrong. I really don't have a problem with bombing them but now that we've "showed our hand" what is to be gained?
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    I got a question!

    What would be the point of bombing Syria now? With all of this discussion they would have certainly moved all of their ammo, intelligence, soldiers, etc.

    Exactly what would we be achieving?

    And don't get me wrong. I really don't have a problem with bombing them but now that we've "showed our hand" what is to be gained?
    The generals are saying the time delay doesn't matter: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/03/wo.../syria.html?hp

    I have no idea what targets they will choose, but if you were Assad wouldn't you be freaking out for the next week over whether Congress will line up behind Obama and give him the go-ahead to bomb whatever he wants?

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