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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin CJ .....it would appear Obama is going thru the formality. I think sending the Nimitz and it's Entire Strike Group to the Red Sea. May put things into perspective.


    OBAMA'S DILEMMA

    This is squarely now in the hands of Congress," Kerry told CNN, saying he had confidence lawmakers "will do what is right because they understand the stakes."

    In a round of television appearances, Kerry declined to say whether Obama would proceed with military action if Congress rejects his request, as Britain's parliament did last week.

    He echoed Obama's comments in the White House Rose Garden on Saturday, insisting the president had the right to act on his own if he chooses that course.

    Obama is taking a gamble by putting the brakes on the military assault he considers essential to maintain U.S. credibility after he had said the use of chemical weapons would constitute a "red line" for the United States.

    U.S. military officials are using the delay to reassess which ships will be used for a strike, and which sites in Syria to target. One change was a decision to send the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier and its entire strike group toward the Red Sea to help support the Syria strike, if needed.

    Underscoring a sense of wariness even from Obama's traditional allies, many Democrats joined Republicans in saying the use-of-force resolution offered by the White House is too broad and that new language will be written for consideration.

    Several said they wanted it to include strict time limits, guarantee that no U.S. troops would be sent into Syria, and tie authorization for any further military action to additional chemical weapons use by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    "The president said this is going to be limited. Yet that's an open-ended authorization to just about do anything he wants," said Democratic Senator Tom Harkin.

    "The resolution as it is right now is so open-ended that it gives a blanket authority with no time limits. You can't accept it just on its face," said Republican Representative Dennis Ross. "Now we have to look at what is the exit strategy if we do a strike, and I don't know if we're going to do that.".....snip~

    Obama and aides confront skeptical Congress on Syria strike

    I think some of Obamas Democrats and what they are saying with Republicans about not giving Obama an Open Commitment would be the Smart way to go. Also I would echo those that have stated.....why should we go when there really is no International Support.

    Myself.....I say since the French are all skippy and fresh to jump. Then let them Jump alone. Let them pay for things on their own. Just like the rest of the Big Boys, when they feelin' their Wheaties.
    Good afternoon MMC,

    I think Obama's only dilema is trying to figure out how he can convince the world he has a backbone as he slithers about. It's remarkable he can stand up long enough to play a round of golf.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    "The World" will be delighted to see a US president follow both his own countries laws and international law.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    "At this point, what difference does it make". Well the difference is that the damage hasn't yet been done, there's still time to avoid folly!
    What folly? There is only one thing that is acceptable. Which is giving the Sunni another Country to run and help prop it up. That's what the West has decided. Seems it was decided some time ago. I don't agree with it.....but nothing is going to change that outcome. Time is the Shia's enemy and the loss of population. Having the Sunni and the Rest of the planet against them. There is only one outcome. Extinction!

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    China and Russia.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon MMC,

    I think Obama's only dilema is trying to figure out how he can convince the world he has a backbone as he slithers about. It's remarkable he can stand up long enough to play a round of golf.
    He called for back up today CJ.




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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    He called for back up today CJ.



    Sure - all you need is the irrelevant McCain and his lapdog Graham advising the even more irrelevant Obama into a mess nobody wants.
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    By any technicality.
    Good afternoon, MMC!

    They might consider the use of a technicality in a situation where many non-combatant women and children are likely to die? What "technicality" might cover that horror? Don't you have to have a logical reason to invade or bomb another sovereign country these days, other than that your leader misspoke, or was misunderstood, or was baited into acting irresponsibly? If Syria was that important to BHO, why didn't he act two years ago, when thousands upon thousands were dying in Syria? That ought to go over well! :

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The declaration might have simply been Obama hoping that the threat of retaliation would be enough to prevent Syria from using CW, allowing him to act tough but send a signal that we wouldn't respond unless you did something really stupid.
    Are rebels noted for acting responsibility? They are the ones who used chemical weapons, according to the UN investigation, not the government! Having accomplished what they intended to do, they'll slither back into their hidey-holes now, while others die. Cowards!

    Good afternoon, aberrant85.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    60 years of extra-constitutional precedent doesn't make it right. And the 1973 War Powers Act is designed to allow a president to act immediately if the US is under attack or threatened with imminent attack. And then he has 60 days to bring it before congress. Using it to attack a country that is not threatening us is an abuse, and for a president to attack a country when such strong opposition exists amongst the American people, and without congressional approval and in defiance of the UN is belligerent, at least.
    Sadly, both belligerence and overblown ego are on display for the entire world to see! The rebels decided to up the stakes by using chemical weapons, so we're going to bomb the country and kill everyone that gets in the way? Yeah, that makes sense! The UN had proof that the rebels were responsible, or they would not have issued their report stating same, so why not let the Syrian Government handle their own rebel problem? I'm sure they'll be eager to do so!. And it gets BHO off the hook!

    Greetings, Montecresto.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    It would be very interesting to see Republicans stand up and say that they no longer want to help eliminate WMDs.
    Yes, that would be interesting. So after Syria, do we next target Russia? They have lots of them, I understand.

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