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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    I'm so pumped to see how this goes down! Congress could very well smack this down. That's what makes it so interesting! There is no longer a pro-war party vs. an anti-war party.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    The longer the debate lasts, though, the tougher it will be for Obama. Without the urgency to act fast, the Republicans might settle back into their usual intransigence.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    140 bipartisan signatures and counting from congress? Why demand Obama get congressional approval if they aren't going to approve it?

    Anyway, Obama doesnt' need their authority to do a limited strike. There is too much precedent going back to Truman for presidents to conduct limited miltary action.

    But if congress does vote no, then Obama will have an out not to strike Syria and save face. The decision might also depend on what the French and UK Parliments vote as well. I think the UK will be making a second vote now that the UN report is out.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    It would be very interesting to see Republicans stand up and say that they no longer want to help eliminate WMDs.
    I think you need to revisit your perception of Republicans and more likely your understanding of history. Republicans don't want to eliminate WMD any more than they want to eliminate guns. Good luck supporting this argument.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    140 bipartisan signatures and counting from congress? Why demand Obama get congressional approval if they aren't going to approve it?

    Anyway, Obama doesnt' need their authority to do a limited strike. There is too much precedent going back to Truman for presidents to conduct limited miltary action.

    But if congress does vote no, then Obama will have an out not to strike Syria and save face. The decision might also depend on what the French and UK Parliments vote as well. I think the UK will be making a second vote now that the UN report is out.
    At least you understand that this potential war action is all about Obama saving face and remaining macho. Maybe he should take his shirt off as he asks for congressional votes.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Anyway, Obama doesnt' need their authority to do a limited strike. There is too much precedent going back to Truman for presidents to conduct limited miltary action.
    The precedent is there, what's exciting is the prospect of restoring the precedent to Congress. When was the last time we actually declared war? 1941. Not many people like to have the President, whoever that is, have the ultimate say in whether we go to war or not. A restoration of the responsibility of Congress to declare war over the President might lead a long way to our extraction out of the Middle East.

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    At least you understand that this potential war action is all about Obama saving face and remaining macho. Maybe he should take his shirt off as he asks for congressional votes.
    I must admit that Obama would probably not have advocated a strike if it hadn't been for his very un-politick "red line" declaration. If he hadn't said that, though, he'd face criticism from all angles for being unresponsive to a chemical attack. This is a very gray area in a lot of ways.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I must admit that Obama would probably not have advocated a strike if it hadn't been for his very un-politick "red line" declaration. If he hadn't said that, though, he'd face criticism from all angles for being unresponsive to a chemical attack. This is a very gray area in a lot of ways.
    Yes, but the "red line" declaration was Obama refusing to not look macho. This is the use of a mistake to cover for another mistake, all because Obama has no realistic international strategy. A nuke free world is a happy place befitting Disney but unbefitting a US president yet this seems to be the sum of his international strategy, now that his "sit down and negotiate with the enemy" strategy failed.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Yes, but the "red line" declaration was Obama refusing to not look macho. This is the use of a mistake to cover for another mistake, all because Obama has no realistic international strategy. A nuke free world is a happy place befitting Disney but unbefitting a US president yet this seems to be the sum of his international strategy, now that his "sit down and negotiate with the enemy" strategy failed.
    The declaration might have simply been Obama hoping that the threat of retaliation would be enough to prevent Syria from using CW, allowing him to act tough but send a signal that we wouldn't respond unless you did something really stupid.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The declaration might have simply been Obama hoping that the threat of retaliation would be enough to prevent Syria from using CW, allowing him to act tough but send a signal that we wouldn't respond unless you did something really stupid.
    Making threats/promises isn't too presidential unless there is a solid enough reason behind them to follow though on them. As has been pointed out, we (the USA) aren't the world police so we shouldn't be policing the world or attacking other countries unless it's clearly in the national security interests of the US. I'm not sure how we can condemn the Iraq war on one hand yet condone our Libya, Syria and Egypt actions on the other.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I'm so pumped to see how this goes down! Congress could very well smack this down. That's what makes it so interesting! There is no longer a pro-war party vs. an anti-war party.
    No, it's just two "me!" "me!" parties jockeying for a sense of relevance in a mire of their own making.
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