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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    More to the point, the paranoid style of American politics virtually requires most politicians to vote for military action in almost any situation or they risk being called "unpatriotic" by the rightwing noise machine that has poisoned our political rhetoric since the Cold War. It takes one brave politician to vote against firing missiles at another country. It will be interesting to see which ones step up to the plate -- but I agree, they will be in the minority by far.
    I don't think there's anything paranoid about it. I think it's completely purposeful and serves the Corporate State and the Aristocracy.
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think there's anything paranoid about it. I think it's completely purposeful and serves the Corporate State and the Aristocracy.
    Yep. DC, congress critters and the POTUS, serve those that supply the necessary campaign cash to keep them in power. Political party labels are much like sport's teams uniforms - merely something to identify the different teams as they play the same game by the same rules and with the same objective - to win fan support. Winning in politics is getting/keeping the power to spend other people's money as directed by your sponsors, the campaign contributors.
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. DC, congress critters and the POTUS, serve those that supply the necessary campaign cash to keep them in power. Political party labels are much like sport's teams uniforms - merely something to identify the different teams as they play the same game by the same rules and with the same objective - to win fan support. Winning in politics is getting/keeping the power to spend other people's money as directed by your sponsors, the campaign contributors.
    Yup, and this is how you lose a Republic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yup, and this is how you lose a Republic.
    Yep. 92% of congress critters and the POTUS won re-election in the 2012 elections so all is well in camp DC, as far as they are concerned; as they freely spend more money borrowed in our names.
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Thank you for your strength & courage during these dangerous times, Mr. Secretary.

    John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action - ABC News
    Being stupid does not equal having strength and courage. Obama drew the Red Line and that was as stupid as it gets. Mr. Hinze Kerry Secretary of State is a follower of stupid. This is the most stupid administration of all time, of which has no clue on running a country. A community organizer my ass.
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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    That is so, and neither does any other sovereign state. But as signatory to the UN, we are all bound by its articles - and have committed a breach of international law if we flout any one of those.
    You are incorrect. There is something called the Supremacy Clause in the US Constitution. It guarantees that the US Constitution is the supreme law of the land and that no treaty (or State Code) can ever override US Code. It doesn't matter to me what a POTUS signs in the way of treaties with other countries. I am in no way beholden to the UN or the laws of any other country. Ever.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Thank you for your strength & courage during these dangerous times, Mr. Secretary.

    John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action - ABC News
    Yes, nothing requires more courage then telling your entire nation to go **** themselves, and that he is going to do whatever he wants.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course they will. It doesn't matter how many Americans they'll kill, the Government will do anything for its power and the wealth of its buddies.

    9/11 killed 3,000 Americans, how many Americans has the War on Terror killed?
    Another 4K or so. On the opposite side of the fence - so far estimations are that we have killed between 1 million and 2 million bad guys. The part I don't understand - why do these arab countries still think they can mess with the US of A? They have to know the numbers are not in their favor.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is half way there then but the other half, that they acted under official orders, remains unknown.
    I am fine with the concept of security clearances and the classification of information. Meaning: I am cool with Obama knowing things you and I don't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am not implying that the 9/11 acts were not terrorism, just that the owners of the aircraft were not held criminally responsible.
    Well the good news is you aren't one of those 9-11 loons and we can keep talking. In Georgia quite a few people I knew thought the actual planes with the US citizens were seen after the event hidden at the Cleveland Airport and that all the people on the plane were spirited away into some some secret witness relocation type of program. Same loons also talked about how the CIA blew up the buildings with special explosives. There is no reasoning with folks like that. Why would the owners of the aircraft be held liable? If a drunk driver kills someone in a car rental, is it OK to sue Ford (owners of Hertz)? I could see going after Saudi Arabia since they were all Saudi citizens, maybe going after the government agency in charge of the metal detectors, or perhaps the manufacturer of the planes for not making the cockpit safe enough. But truth be known - I am pretty sure there was a class action already against the plane manufacturer that got thrown out of court.

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    Re: John Kerry: ‘We Are Not Going to Lose’ Vote Authorizing Syria Military Action'

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    More to the point, the paranoid style of American politics virtually requires most politicians to vote for military action in almost any situation or they risk being called "unpatriotic" by the rightwing noise machine that has poisoned our political rhetoric since the Cold War. It takes one brave politician to vote against firing missiles at another country. It will be interesting to see which ones step up to the plate -- but I agree, they will be in the minority by far.
    So even Obama has given in huh?
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