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Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

Juanita said:
We have not started a war..
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Just because you aren't calling it that, doesn't make it such.

Obomba has been aiding the destabilization of the Middle-East, in spades. This will come to haunt us as a nation in the future.
 
Juanita said:
We don't have to take over anyplace.. We may not be the worlds police, but we are a world leader--"The" world leader and thus we have responsibilities.. By using chemical weapons on civilians including women and over 400 children, Syria broke the rules..
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Mornin' Juanita.
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Well since we will use that argument. Then should we not go and do a drive by on the Syrian Rebels for the use of Chems and more than once? Drop some cruise Missiles on their forces too.

Just to show them that we will punish them too.

Didn't Obama say he wants to be fair. Do the Right thing?
 
Imnukingfutz said:
I am very pleased that the president has listened to the suggestion we and many others have made to bring this authorization to Congress. Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee

What? Their suggestion? WTF happened to the Law and the Constitution? Suggestion my behind.

This is one of the things that is wrong with our government...the Constitution & the Law are merely suggestions.
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Mornin' INF. :2wave: Yeah and I wouldn't trust Corker on this one. He is in line with McCain and just came back recently from over there. But like you I am glad to see Obama.....DO THE RIGHT THING for Once!!!!!

Albeit.....a bit late. Still better late than sorry.
 
Juanita said:
We don't have to take over anyplace.. We may not be the worlds police, but we are a world leader--"The" world leader and thus we have responsibilities.. By using chemical weapons on civilians including women and over 400 children, Syria broke the rules..
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Is it the human rights abuses that are occurring or having chemical weapons/WMD that bothers you more?
 
I'm glad for our military members that this will go to Congress. No need to immediately jump into something that some of our closest allies won't even support.
 
Fisher said:
I will support my congressman if he votes for airstrikes only if an amendment changing the word "Syria" to "Detroit" passes. I really see this as a "Of course they won't pass it, Mr. President, then you do it anyway and blame the republicans for their obstructionism. That is what "bold" leadership is."
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Bomb Detroit?
 
this will take a little time ... first Congressmen/women have to find out where Syria is ... then they have to figure out whose side we're on, and that's important because when Iraq and Iran had a war during the Reagan Administration, Iraq used chemical weapons and the U.S. knew it and said nothing because it was on Saddam Hussein's side (then the relationship soured later and ... well, you know the rest of the story) ... then, the final thing the GOP has to figure out is what the best way is to embarrass the president and make sure this turns out to be a disaster ... a lot of work to be done, and Pres. Obama didn't make it any easier by not handling the whole mess better ...
 
windowdressing said:
this will take a little time ... first Congressmen/women have to find out where Syria is ... then they have to figure out whose side we're on, and that's important because when Iraq and Iran had a war during the Reagan Administration, Iraq used chemical weapons and the U.S. knew it and said nothing because it was on Saddam Hussein's side (then the relationship soured later and ... well, you know the rest of the story) ... then, the final thing the GOP has to figure out is what the best way is to embarrass the president and make sure this turns out to be a disaster ... a lot of work to be done, and Pres. Obama didn't make it any easier by not handling the whole mess better ...
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You're assuming malice, and this really is a shame.
 
nota bene said:
You're assuming malice, and this really is a shame.
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the malice that the GOP has demonstrated toward this president from the beginning, and placing party over country, is the real shame NB ...
 
The Constitution requires Congressional authorization for war because it is less likely to pull the trigger than an imperial president. This is the first time Obama has followed the constitutional mandate on a major policy decision. I don't think his reason was constitutional however. He wants to bomb Syria but that is so unpopular with the American people that he is hoping that Congress will take some of the heat from the electorate. Asking Congress to share the blame is a calculated political decision. This administration makes Bush look like a foreign policy genius.
 
Well, I am gonna have to contact Menendez and try to dissuade him from supporting any action in Syria.
 
sawdust said:
The Constitution requires Congressional authorization for war because it is less likely to pull the trigger than an imperial president. This is the first time Obama has followed the constitutional mandate on a major policy decision. I don't think his reason was constitutional however. He wants to bomb Syria but that is so unpopular with the American people that he is hoping that Congress will take some of the heat from the electorate. Asking Congress to share the blame is a calculated political decision. This administration makes Bush look like a foreign policy genius.
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Exactly. He painted himself into a corner by running his mouth while he was campaigning..Like saying he would close gitmo, for instance...more BS..
Suddenly, now that he looks like a fool to the world, he wants to deflect to congress so he can say he tried but the mean old republicans...blah..blah...blah...
 
sawdust said:
The Constitution requires Congressional authorization for war because it is less likely to pull the trigger than an imperial president. This is the first time Obama has followed the constitutional mandate on a major policy decision. I don't think his reason was constitutional however. He wants to bomb Syria but that is so unpopular with the American people that he is hoping that Congress will take some of the heat from the electorate. Asking Congress to share the blame is a calculated political decision. This administration makes Bush look like a foreign policy genius.
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Or maybe W Bush used up all the goodwill from other countries who helped with Iraq.

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Gladiator said:
Or maybe W Bush used up all the goodwill from other countries who helped with Iraq.

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I don't think so. Goodwill is established by being consistent in the way you treat both friend and foe. The Obama administration has only demonstrated inconsistency. They were going to put a missile shield in Poland, until they weren't because they wanted to appease the Russians. The Poles were our friends until they weren't. Then there was the reset with Russia, until that fell apart in the middle east and now Putin and Obama are making fun of each other publicly. Israel was an aggressor nation until political pressure from Jews caused Obama to soften his tone. I don't even know how to describe our relationship with Egypt, Mubarak, the Brotherhood and the military. All I would advise our allies is be careful.

From a foreign policy standpoint this administration looks to me to be a fish flopping around on the dock looking for water. It's truly amateur hour.
 
windowdressing said:
the malice that the GOP has demonstrated toward this president from the beginning, and placing party over country, is the real shame NB ...
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I can't say I agree with you that the GOP has placed party over principle or the good of the nation. I can say, however, that I am not a Republican and that I have been consistently disappointed by this President's performance.

He zigs when he should zag; he swings when he should stay. His hubris persuaded him not to listen to protocol officers, so he blundered twice with the Brits. His "hidden agendas" such as millions of dollars of support to green companies and also "Fast and Furious" have made me sick. That Eric Holder still has a job sums up, at least in part, the problem with this President.
 
windowdressing said:
the malice that the GOP has demonstrated toward this president from the beginning, and placing party over country, is the real shame NB ...
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Nonsense. I am sick of the moronic argument that it is Obama, the man, and not his policies, and constant use of "end runs" around the actual law by executive order or having "unknown" folks inside executive agencies making "new policy decisions", that cause most of the republicant objection. Even with PPACA, often called ObamaCare, many demorats defend (explain away?) that huge mess as merely a "first step" toward UHC while saying any critics "have offered no alternatives" when the plain fact is that they will simply not accept any alternatives other than UHC (unless, of course, that "alternative" is PPACA).

Can you explain just how "the country" benefits from lobbing a few missles into Syria? Obama has been all over the place with what the "ultimate goal" of U.S. military action in Syria is. So far it has changed from removing Assad, then to "stopping genocide" and now it seems to be simply "punishment" for crossing the, totally Obama defined, "red line" too many times.
 
“So what, we're about to become Al-Qaeda's air force now?” - Dennis Kucinich
 
Gladiator said:
Or maybe W Bush used up all the goodwill from other countries who helped with Iraq.

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You can always tell when a liberal has run out of excuses for Obamas failures: they circle back to blame Bush. Seriously dude, Obama is in his second term as president. In Hilary Clinton, he had the (supposed) greatest Secretary of State in the history of Secretary of Statedom. Yet in the face of mass slaughter and WMD use, Obama cant cobble together a single ally to take action. And you blame Bush? Blind partisanship only serves to make you look, well, blind. Open your eyes. Obama botched this all by himself.
 
Remember back when Obama argued vehemently for his constitutional authority for military action in Libya without congressional approval beyond 90 day? Now he runs afoul of the Russians and suddenly finds he can't do anything without congressional authority from the start.

Guess that reset button with Russia didn't work.
 
jmotivator said:
Remember back when Obama argued vehemently for his constitutional authority for military action in Libya without congressional approval beyond 90 day? Now he runs afoul of the Russians and suddenly finds he can't do anything without congressional authority from the start.

Guess that reset button with Russia didn't work.
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Situational ethics.
 
Fisher said:
Well nothing else seems to be working there. Maybe an international peace keeping force is the logical next step.
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The people running the city are obviously unable to establish or even maintain a civilized, orderly society.
Detroit was once a premier city in america.
 
Congress to Vote on Syria

Brooks said:
“So what, we're about to become Al-Qaeda's air force now?” - Dennis Kucinich
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Yes; and what do we call the crime of giving aid and support to enemies?
 
Explain the logic that says he's ready in a day/week/month to take action, but doesn't call congress immediately into session (as Great Britain did), and would rather wait a week for them to reconvene ?
 
Juanita said:
I was so angry when I heard the news...President Obama better have a dam good reason for doing this--like pushing for more extensive action than a limited and narrow strike... Right now the FSA feels betrayed, The Syrian Regime feels emboldened, and the USA feels embarrassed, or should...
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The FSA is infested with al Qaida, reporters have documented dozens of stories throughout this Syrian war in which they have kidnapped journalists and UN officials, destroyed Christian churches, tied civilians hands and shot them execution style, placed truck bombs in front of federal buildings killing civilians and host of other crimes against civilians. The CIA should never have been training them in their Jordanian camps, arming them and sending them in there to begin with. Even that is something that should have been debated by congress. The Assad government is recognized by many nations as the legitimate Syrian government. China and Russia absolutely will not allow the US to obtain authorization for use of force at the UN. So unless your advocating our president attack another country that has not first attacked us, in violation of international law, he has no other alternative. And, you can't even get Rumsfeld on board with this one!!!
 
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