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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    True enough - but if they could vote to take it back, don't you think they would?
    Oh, yes. They must cringe every time they think of that. At least I hope they do.

    But their credibility had waned a great deal anyway and their selections have become more like the Oscars. Does anyone really care anymore?

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If our national security was at stake we would have secured a UN resolution, the whole reason it was denied is because we FAILED to demonstrate to the security council that the Assad government is a threat to our national security!
    Sorry, but that is just false. The UN isn't the arbiter of US national interest. That job falls primarily with the POTUS, not our enemies, tyrants and thugs at the UN.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If our national security was at stake we would have secured a UN resolution, the whole reason it was denied is because we FAILED to demonstrate to the security council that the Assad government is a threat to our national security!
    Actually, I think the UN Security Council doesn't care one bit about what's in the national security interests of the United States. They reacted in the Afghanistan instance, because they all, particularly Russia, had experience with terrorists on their own soil and taking on the terrorists after 9/11 was in the security interests of the world, not just the US. The UN Security Council, on a regular basis, ignores the interests of the US and the west in general. The Chinese and Russians have their veto card in their hands ready to wave all the time.

    GWB made it clear that the national interests of the United States were not dependent upon the good will of the UN - he would act, whether the UN approved it or not. America's true friends acted with America in Iraq.

    As I've said on many occasions, I'd love to see Canada tell the UN to go **** themselves, take our dues and other supports for that useless, corrupt body, and join the US and other like minded democratic nations in a similar, more useful, more morally justifiable body.
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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Sorry, but that is just false. The UN isn't the arbiter of US national interest. That job falls primarily with the POTUS, not our enemies, tyrants and thugs at the UN.

    Well that's quite the belligerent attitude. Syria is not a threat to our national security.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well that's quite the belligerent attitude. Syria is not a threat to our national security.
    I am not actually making the case for or against Syrian action being in our interest. I am simply pointing out that it is WE who determine the answer to that question, not the UN.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, I think the UN Security Council doesn't care one bit about what's in the national security interests of the United States. They reacted in the Afghanistan instance, because they all, particularly Russia, had experience with terrorists on their own soil and taking on the terrorists after 9/11 was in the security interests of the world, not just the US. The UN Security Council, on a regular basis, ignores the interests of the US and the west in general. The Chinese and Russians have their veto card in their hands ready to wave all the time.

    GWB made it clear that the national interests of the United States were not dependent upon the good will of the UN - he would act, whether the UN approved it or not. America's true friends acted with America in Iraq.

    As I've said on many occasions, I'd love to see Canada tell the UN to go **** themselves, take our dues and other supports for that useless, corrupt body, and join the US and other like minded democratic nations in a similar, more useful, more morally justifiable body.
    Give me a break. The US hasn't ever used the veto card? And if you tell the the UN that their only relevant when they agree with you, your a belligerent, you may as well not be a member.
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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    This BBC headline really captured the moment regarding those gas attacks.

    BBC News - Damascus residents 'hold their breath' as strike looms

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Give me a break. The US hasn't ever used the veto card. And if you tell the the UN that their only relevant when they agree with you, your a belligerent, you may as well not be a member.
    If the UN is going to be in charge of deciding what the US national interest is, I don't want to be a member. They need us more than we need them. Nato, on the other hand is a bit of a different story. We share a great deal of common interests with those members. But still, NATO doesn't determine our US national interest either.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I am not actually making the case for or against Syrian action being in our interest. I am simply pointing out that it is WE who determine the answer to that question, not the UN.

    Why do you suppose the US has been to the UN asking permission for the use of military force in Syria?

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Give me a break. The US hasn't ever used the veto card. And if you tell the the UN that their only relevant when they agree with you, your a belligerent, you may as well not be a member.
    Sorry, but that's just demonstrably false - the US uses its veto power in the UN Security Council on a regular basis, particularly as it relates to sanctions against Israel. And secondly, if the UN is always on the side of tyrants, despots, human rights abusers, murderers etc., then damn right I'm belligerent and damn right I don't want to be a member and it embarrasses me as a person and as a Canadian that my country still belongs.
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