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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    True enough - but if they could vote to take it back, don't you think they would?
    Maybe the Nobel Peace Prize people would, but the people I run into who voted for Obama are still convinced he's the most wonderful, fair-minded President we've had in decades--"and of course, there's the terrible mess he inherited from Bush, and look how beautifully he's coped; no one could have done better."

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I think you're mostly right, but I think this President is so weak of character that he cannot act alone unless others are prepared to lead and allow him to jump to the front of the line when the action starts. He opposed moving on Libya until the French pushed it in NATO and it became a NATO action and then Obama jumped to the front of the line. Obama now finds himself out on the ledge all by himself, claiming he's gonna do it, he's gonna jump, but he now wants congress to take the tough decision.

    How stupid and feeble he looks - he claims he doesn't need congress's approval to act but he's going to hold up action, action he just last week claimed was absolutely needed and required, and wait a couple of weeks. If he loses the vote, is he still going to act? Leaders lead, they don't shoot their mouths off and then hide behind their friends.
    Mornin CJ. Well truthfully it wasn't Obama on the Libyan issue. It was Susan Rice. She got outplayed in the UN. France had filed resolution and in a meeting without the US. The French and Brits officially recogonized the Libyan Rebels at that time. From that time Obama and Clinton had to play catch. Which Rice had caused Hillary to have to reeaddress the statement she had released at the time. Then Obama jumped and took the lead.

    Assad even released a statement on what he felt about Obama and this issue. Also Iran. So now the smack talkin' really begins.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    People of the world, particularly those in Syria and the greater middle east, will assume that the President of the greatest and most powerful country in the world would have known the proper channels, the rule of law, and have gone through them before preaching to the world and threatening immediate military action. By not doing that first, the world sees him as a dolt and people don't follow dolts.
    Good morning, CJ.

    Some of our allies seem to be having second thoughts, don't they? And it sounds like a lot of people here in the US agree with them! And wouldn't bombing chemical weapons caches release those chemicals into the atmosphere, to be carried by the winds all over the planet? I sure hope someone has thought about a better way to handle that!

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    So it goes to congress, congress votes down military action in Syria, Obama saves face and the world gets a lesson on how to back the US down. It's a win win situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well not to disagree with that, but US presidents haven't followed proper channels for a long time. In this case you look at the will of the people, military action in Syria is widely unpopular. But the second step is congress, if you don't secure congressional approval, the UN is a moot point. Yet the US has been at the UN for nearly three years. Bassakwards.
    Really? Seems to me that GWB went to congress for approval for both Afghanistan and Iraq as well as to the UN - he got UN approval for the former but not for the latter, but still got congressional approval before he had his entire defense and foreign relations cabinet out discussing targets.

    You're right about Obama though - he has a history of ignoring both congress and the constitution. Do you remember Obama addressing congress before engaging with NATO in Libya? I don't. Obama is so arrogant, on a regular basis he gloats about not bothering with those guys at the other end of the street and ignores the legislative process in favor of ignoring the enforcement of laws he doesn't like and creating new law through executive order. If the Clinton impeachment hadn't happened, I'm 100% certain that Obama would be impeached - but that's impossible now, due to Clinton.
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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia and China vetoed any use of force, sanctions or no fly zone at the UN. That's what shuts things down.
    If our national security or interests were at stake, what happens in the UN woudnt matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pstreet1 View Post
    Maybe the Nobel Peace Prize people would, but the people I run into who voted for Obama are still convinced he's the most wonderful, fair-minded President we've had in decades--"and of course, there's the terrible mess he inherited from Bush, and look how beautifully he's coped; no one could have done better."
    You have to try harder to break out of that mental hospital you're trapped in - you clearly are spending too much time with the delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, CJ.

    Some of our allies seem to be having second thoughts, don't they? And it sounds like a lot of people here in the US agree with them! And wouldn't bombing chemical weapons caches release those chemicals into the atmosphere, to be carried by the winds all over the planet? I sure hope someone has thought about a better way to handle that!
    Good morning Lady P.

    I don't know about the chemical weapons in Syria, but a lot of chemical weapons consist of chemicals that are not volatile now but would be when mixed and then released. A lot of these have a very short shelf-life if they are "active" and so they are held in a dormant state until the holder wants to release them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If our national security or interests were at stake, what happens in the UN woudnt matter.
    If our national security was at stake we would have secured a UN resolution, the whole reason it was denied is because we FAILED to demonstrate to the security council that the Assad government is a threat to our national security!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Does anyone have confidence that Obama and his gang have a clue what they're doing?
    Yes.

    Of course it's deliberate idiocy at it's finest but it is what it is.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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