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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I completely disagree. Bush was improving relations with Libya, and Obomba blew the country to hell. Just one example.
    Obama obtained UN authorization for use of force in Libya, Russia and China supported it for its stated purpose, to protect the Libyan civilians. But Obama abused the resolution to overthrow the Libyan government, that is what pissed off China and Russia, that is why they have denied him a resolution at the UN for Syria and this is what you get when you betray your partners. The US has no credibility and needs to get out of the way.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    The Constitution requires Congressional authorization for war because it is less likely to pull the trigger than an imperial president. This is the first time Obama has followed the constitutional mandate on a major policy decision. I don't think his reason was constitutional however. He wants to bomb Syria but that is so unpopular with the American people that he is hoping that Congress will take some of the heat from the electorate. Asking Congress to share the blame is a calculated political decision. This administration makes Bush look like a foreign policy genius.
    I think you're mostly right, but I think this President is so weak of character that he cannot act alone unless others are prepared to lead and allow him to jump to the front of the line when the action starts. He opposed moving on Libya until the French pushed it in NATO and it became a NATO action and then Obama jumped to the front of the line. Obama now finds himself out on the ledge all by himself, claiming he's gonna do it, he's gonna jump, but he now wants congress to take the tough decision.

    How stupid and feeble he looks - he claims he doesn't need congress's approval to act but he's going to hold up action, action he just last week claimed was absolutely needed and required, and wait a couple of weeks. If he loses the vote, is he still going to act? Leaders lead, they don't shoot their mouths off and then hide behind their friends.
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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You can always tell when a liberal has run out of excuses for Obamas failures: they circle back to blame Bush. Seriously dude, Obama is in his second term as president. In Hilary Clinton, he had the (supposed) greatest Secretary of State in the history of Secretary of Statedom. Yet in the face of mass slaughter and WMD use, Obama cant cobble together a single ally to take action. And you blame Bush? Blind partisanship only serves to make you look, well, blind. Open your eyes. Obama botched this all by himself.
    Russia and China vetoed any use of force, sanctions or no fly zone at the UN. That's what shuts things down.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    No one even knows if Assad's government did this yet.
    Perhaps, but that seems to be the most popular excuse to go in..

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Going through the proper channels, following the rule of LAW will be admired by the world, not seen as weak. Other countries are backing off because the White house can't deliver the goods in terms of evidence that the Syrian government used chemical weapons.
    People of the world, particularly those in Syria and the greater middle east, will assume that the President of the greatest and most powerful country in the world would have known the proper channels, the rule of law, and have gone through them before preaching to the world and threatening immediate military action. By not doing that first, the world sees him as a dolt and people don't follow dolts.
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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia and China vetoed any use of force, sanctions or no fly zone at the UN. That's what shuts things down.
    Obama is way out of his depth here. He should go back to the golf course and the American people can just wait him out and hopefully start fresh with someone who has had some experience.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    People of the world, particularly those in Syria and the greater middle east, will assume that the President of the greatest and most powerful country in the world would have known the proper channels, the rule of law, and have gone through them before preaching to the world and threatening immediate military action. By not doing that first, the world sees him as a dolt and people don't follow dolts.
    I'm not sure about that. He did capture the dolt vote. They even gave him a Nobel Prize!!

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm not sure about that. He did capture the dolt vote. They even gave him a Nobel Prize!!
    True enough - but if they could vote to take it back, don't you think they would?
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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    People of the world, particularly those in Syria and the greater middle east, will assume that the President of the greatest and most powerful country in the world would have known the proper channels, the rule of law, and have gone through them before preaching to the world and threatening immediate military action. By not doing that first, the world sees him as a dolt and people don't follow dolts.

    Well not to disagree with that, but US presidents haven't followed proper channels for a long time. In this case you look at the will of the people, military action in Syria is widely unpopular. But the second step is congress, if you don't secure congressional approval, the UN is a moot point. Yet the US has been at the UN for nearly three years. Bassakwards.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    The Constitution requires Congressional authorization for war because it is less likely to pull the trigger than an imperial president. This is the first time Obama has followed the constitutional mandate on a major policy decision. I don't think his reason was constitutional however. He wants to bomb Syria but that is so unpopular with the American people that he is hoping that Congress will take some of the heat from the electorate. Asking Congress to share the blame is a calculated political decision. This administration makes Bush look like a foreign policy genius.
    Some of the calls for a vote was calculated too. There was a lot of assumption from the GOP that there wouldn't be a vote and they wouldn't have to go on record one way or the other. There's a lot of pants-****ting going on from Congressmen who will have to go on record. There are those who are happy because they can go on record for or against on both sides, but there's a large group on both sides who are scared to do so.

    Every Congressman who voted to go war in Iraq because they had WMDs (which they did) are going to have to say why we don't do it to Assad, who has WMDs and supports terrorist groups. I don't think it's a good idea to get involved because it's just a bad idea to get involved in a civil war, especially one where there's no "good guys." Same reason I didn't support the war in Iraq because it resulted in a civil war.


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