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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Unfortunately, Alqaida is all over Syria now.. We waited too long to really help... Now all we can do, or already should have done, is to lob a few missiles and take out their launchers and air fields and its probably too late to do that as well....
    How exactly would throwing a few missiles at Syria achieve anything and solve anything. This would simply be a sign of impotence and frustration. One expects that of children, not of the World's greatest superpower.

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Good question... Now? Not very much--we have lost all advantage of surprise--they are now prepared for us, have moved everything, have consulted with Iran and planned their strategy... It should have been done immediately....
    Agreed. This attack is all wrong. I can't remember a president ever openly attacking another nation to "send a message". Talk about considering the US the world's police or baby sitter! If he wanted to send that message he should have acted and then explained why he hit Syria with 25 missiles etc. This is being handled all backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    So like in Libya, you want to make one side defenseless...
    Libya = Gadaffi = Pan Am Flight 103 = Operation El Dorado Canyon = dirtbag needed to die. I'm glad Obama went into Libya to take care of business. It was a long time coming. Shame we lost four American patriots while they were trying to get our weapons back after they were done using them. That part really bothers me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    How exactly would throwing a few missiles at Syria achieve anything and solve anything. This would simply be a sign of impotence and frustration. One expects that of children, not of the World's greatest superpower.
    Should we just neutron bomb Damascus? That'd be hard core and send a serious message!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Should we just neutron bomb Damascus? That'd be hard core and send a serious message!
    No, I prefer not to attack Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    No, I prefer not to attack Syria.
    I'm on the fence I guess. My first instinct is to say it's not our fight and we have no skin in the game. Most folks say you should always go with your first instinct. But OTOH, someone asked if we did the right thing stopping Hitler from gassing more Jews. Of course I would agree that we did the right thing, since I am a Jew and have skin in the game. So who am I to say stopping Assad from gassing more people is wrong.

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    The lesson here Mr. President, is never threaten someone and then pull out a butter-knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I'm on the fence I guess. My first instinct is to say it's not our fight and we have no skin in the game. Most folks say you should always go with your first instinct. But OTOH, someone asked if we did the right thing stopping Hitler from gassing more Jews. Of course I would agree that we did the right thing, since I am a Jew and have skin in the game. So who am I to say stopping Assad from gassing more people is wrong.
    I am sensitive to the argument that the use of chemical weapons shouldn't go unpunished. But the Obama Administration hasn't really thought this through.
    Either the response is indeed a very limited strike of the sort they propose. If that is the case Assad will most likely survive and remain in place and keep the upper hand. The net result being exeactly the opposite of what is intended, i.e. the message will be given that if you use chemical weapons you can easily survive that.
    Otherwise the US would have to launch a campaign designed to really cripple Assad, but that would mean direct and protracted involvement in the civil war and bringing to power some very unsavoury characters who would massacre people too and who are at least as anti-American as Assad.
    Given this range of options, the best thing is to do nothing right now. The only thing that would be meaningful would be if the US could, in a series of strikes, take out all of Assad's chemical weapons. But that doesn't really sound feasable (unlikely we would get them all and not sure the collateral damage could be contained).

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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Personally, I disagree with that being a limit. The constitution specifically grants congress two executive rights. To wage war, and grant letters of marque. In doing so, it does not say it removes these common law rights from the president. Don't bother arguing this point with me, been there several times already with several people over the years. I just wanted to point this out.

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    Any president would be foolish to wage a war that congress will not support financially! To force congress to pass any bill granting such action then makes it a moral requirement for them to support the finances of it.
    The Constitution doesnt say the President has the right to wage war, period. He must have Congressional approval.

    The War Powers act allows a President to act without Congress on an imminent threat, Syria has not posed an imminent threat to the US.
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    re: Congress not rushing back for Syria vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Very true. I will include our allies in that however. I do believe we should carry some obligations of the would that do not directly threaten us. Probably the only think I strongly disagree with Ron Paul on. If I were to agree with taking action, it would be against the rebels who are trying to overthrow otherwise, somewhat stable governments.
    Its their civil war, its their business. We should not be getting involved.

    We already lost an ambassador & a few others over running guns to Syria....hasnt our involvement cost too much already? and for what? So we can help Al-Quida (sp?) get control of another country?

    We as a country...well at least our politicians...need to realize we are not the worlds police and we need to stop acting as such.
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