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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Oh well....and I already took my gas-mask out and bought tons of canned corn, tuna and bottled water.... lol


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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Why not? You whine when the President finally does the right thing?

    I hear Congress is gathering on the 09-th of September. Thank goodness, we'll have a brake from war-mongering and war drums.
    I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I only stated my rationale for my misgivings on this.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What would we have lost with a Franco-American-Turkish punitive bombardment?
    The ability to stave off the combined forces of an allied Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. As such, we would have only called in more NATO allies after the fact. In short, the loss would mean ushering in WWIII because we failed to marshall the international community against acts against humanity several UN nations have long condemned.

    Believe me when I say this is one time unilateral action would very likely work against a setting President given the temper in that part of the world.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The ability to stave off the combined forces of an allied Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. As such, we would have only called in more NATO allies after the fact. In short, the loss would mean ushering in WWIII because we failed to marshall the international community against acts against humanity several UN nations have long condemned.

    Believe me when I say this is one time unilateral action would very likely work against a setting President given the temper in that part of the world.
    Forgive me for saying so but that is a ludicrous scenario. In what way do you envision a global offensive involving all of those countries or World War III? That is just silly.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What bloody fall do you anticipate?
    WW3

    Let me remind you something about WW1 - it was "supposed" to last 4 months. Instead it lasted 4 years and was a carnage.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    WW3

    Let me remind you something about WW1 - it was "supposed" to last 4 months. Instead it lasted 4 years and was a carnage.
    Usually you have to provide reasons that you think something like World War III is imminent. If we relied on the maxim that "World War I was supposed to last four months" no military activity would ever be launched to the detriment of all. Claiming that global war is imminent of we strike Syria is an extraordinary claim especially since our presumptive 'enemies' Russia and China have forsworn military activity.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This sounds very much like Obama simply wants an excuse to back down from his unilateral "red line" nonsense and thus to gain political points in a few ways.

    If congress says no:

    1) Obama can still assert that after many months of dragging his own feet (leading from behind?) that he "always" wished to "do something" about Syria even though he never sought the advice of congress before.

    2) Congress (emphasis will be naturally limitted to the GOP members) is to now to blame if anything "bad" happens in Syria since he wanted to act and congress "stood in his way" by denyinig Obama's wish to attack.

    3) If, by some miracle, things calm down in Syria Obama can assert that was due to his "stern resolve" to use U.S. military force if necessary.

    If congress says yes:

    4) If the Syria attack works out OK then Obama can say that he initiated the bold miltary action resulting in "peace".

    5) If Syria goes badly then Obama can still say it was either due to (GOP) congressional resistance to his having taken quicker action - or simply not bringing up the fact that it was basically his idea at all.
    Politically speaking, you're right on all counts. Each and every one of the scenarios you've outlined could happen. But if I'm in Pres. Obama's shoes, it's exactly what I would do.

    You call Congress' bluff and force them to act.

    You give time to the matter which can only give credibility to your position OR allow cooler heads to prevail.

    Either way, it puts the President in the driver's seat and Congress and the international community in the hot seat. This was the smartest thing he could do under the circumstances. He gives all sides a chance to weigh in but leaves himself the option to take matters in his own hands if the situation dictates.
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    A very wise decision by President Obama that puts him a cut above the previous presidents who did not go to these lengths. Very well done.
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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    The UN inspectors had just finished their investigation.

    I still do not see how this poses a threat to U.S. national security?

    It poses a massive threat to not just US national security but the whole world, if you stand back and allow a dictator use chemical weapons on his own people then you are on a slipperley slope and Americas position is weakened globally because of it.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The previous chemical attacks were so small-scale in nature that they did not seriously threaten the political credibility of the United States. What makes this an issue is that the President made it an issue. By challenging Assad openly, by confronting Russia, by calling for military action, by sending thousands of sailors to the brink of action, and by decisively claiming that atrocities had taken place and needed to be answered for. After organizing a military taskforce, calling for international allies, molding the global media narrative to indicate such action will take place, forcing Russia and Iran to vociferously defend their ally, and by putting an air of inevitability behind action the President I believe has created a situation where action must take place to avoid an extraordinarily dangerous loss of face. If we pull back from the brink I think it will influence foreign decision making dramatically.
    99% of the yapping and posturing was all Obama's doing yet, only now, does he want the "advice and consent" of congress. True Obama, and the USA, will indeed look stupid but congress, not Obama will then get the blame for not backing up Obama's planned "action".

    On the other hand, if congress gives Obama the go then Obama can always deny that it was his plan at all, he was just doing what "America" wanted if it should go badly, otherwise Obama can take credit for the "brilliant plan of action".
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