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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    This limited action could lead to a larger regional war in a matter of days.

    that being the case, the Federal govt. should be united behind such an action.

    Obama did the right thing.
    While it could, I find that extremely unlikely to happen. Too much to lose by those who are making the threats.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Why do you insist for America to be perceived as the "bully who is always right and doesn't stand objection"?
    What do you want to prove?
    I do not think that is what is at stake. The credibility is the credibility of American to intervene and utilize force which has the effect of limiting the behavior of not just regional actors but global ones as well.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, I disagree. I firmly believe there are wider implications here - more for America to lose had the President taken a unilateral approach - implications that go much farther than a President's face-saving efforts or maintaining popularity at home or abroad.
    What would we have lost with a Franco-American-Turkish punitive bombardment?

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I do not think that is what is at stake. The credibility is the credibility of American to intervene and utilize force which has the effect of limiting the behavior of not just regional actors but global ones as well.
    Being strong and being right are two different things. They may coincide or they may not.
    Btw, since Obama is no emperor and America is a democracy, I salute him for asking Congressional approval, i.e. respecting the Constitution.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Being strong and being right are two different things.
    Btw, since Obama is no emperor and America is a democracy, I salute him for asking Congressional approval, i.e. respecting the Constitution.
    I do not believe he requires Congressional approval for limited military action. President's have never needed it before him. Why now?

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The previous chemical attacks were so small-scale in nature that they did not seriously threaten the political credibility of the United States. What makes this an issue is that the President made it an issue. By challenging Assad openly, by confronting Russia, by calling for military action, by sending thousands of sailors to the brink of action, and by decisively claiming that atrocities had taken place and needed to be answered for. After organizing a military taskforce, calling for international allies, molding the global media narrative to indicate such action will take place, forcing Russia and Iran to vociferously defend their ally, and by putting an air of inevitability behind action the President I believe has created a situation where action must take place to avoid an extraordinarily dangerous loss of face. If we pull back from the brink I think it will influence foreign decision making dramatically.
    In short, what it seems you're saying is it's better for the US to go it alone and save face than to posture by taking the country if not the region to the bring of war and do nothing but put up a front.

    I'll say it again but in a much bolder tone: A unilateral attack on Syria sets the U.S. up for a very hard and bloody fall.

    Yes, ultimately this is Syria's problem and yes, President Obama's "redline" has been passed, but I think the American people deserve to know concretely if the use of chemical weapons was sanctions by the Syrian government and, if so, we WILL need international support to take military action. Without both, we could be in way over our heads especially if Russia, China, Iran and NKorea all get involved.

    Trust me when I say you don't want the U.S. to go this alone.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    We could be wrong though.
    You both are. This is going to get wide support now.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In short, what it seems you're saying is it's better for the US to go it alone and save face than to posture by taking the country if not the region to the bring of war and do nothing but put up a front.

    I'll say it again but in a much bolder tone: A unilateral attack on Syria sets the U.S. up for a very hard and bloody fall.

    Yes, ultimately this is Syria's problem and yes, President Obama's "redline" has been passed, but I think the American people deserve to know concretely if the use of chemical weapons was sanctions by the Syrian government and, if so, we WILL need international support to take military action. Without both, we could be in way over our heads especially if Russia, China, Iran and NKorea all get involved.

    Trust me when I say you don't want the U.S. to go this alone.
    We aren't going it alone though. Moreover even if we were I still fail to see the implication. This is a call for a series of cruise missile and air strikes, not a mandate for invasion. This is Desert Fox or Kosovo, not Iraq or Afghanistan. What bloody fall do you anticipate?

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Obama: US should take military action against Syria - CNN.com



    Obama is now seeking Congressional approval for strikes against Syria.

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    This sounds very much like Obama simply wants an excuse to back down from his unilateral "red line" nonsense and thus to gain political points in a few ways.

    If congress says no:

    1) Obama can still assert that after many months of dragging his own feet (leading from behind?) that he "always" wished to "do something" about Syria even though he never sought the advice of congress before.

    2) Congress (emphasis will be naturally limitted to the GOP members) is to now to blame if anything "bad" happens in Syria since he wanted to act and congress "stood in his way" by denyinig Obama's wish to attack.

    3) If, by some miracle, things calm down in Syria Obama can assert that was due to his "stern resolve" to use U.S. military force if necessary.

    If congress says yes:

    4) If the Syria attack works out OK then Obama can say that he initiated the bold miltary action resulting in "peace".

    5) If Syria goes badly then Obama can still say it was either due to (GOP) congressional resistance to his having taken quicker action - or simply not bringing up the fact that it was basically his idea at all.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I do not believe he requires Congressional approval for limited military action. President's have never needed it before him. Why now?
    Why not? You whine when the President finally does the right thing?

    I hear Congress is gathering on the 09-th of September. Thank goodness, we'll have a brake from war-mongering and war drums.

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