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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Because it undermines the credibility of the President (Obama and future Presidents) to respond to crises, it sets the precedent that limited military involvement must go to Congress before action (which since Jefferson it usually has not), and after coming to the brink of intervention it boosts Assad, Russia, and their regional allies who can be more confident that the US is a defanged power after Iraq. All of those things in my view are bad and embarrassing.
    Why do you insist for America to be perceived as the "bully who is always right and doesn't stand objection"?
    What do you want to prove?

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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

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    The UN inspectors had just finished their investigation.

    I still do not see how this poses a threat to U.S. national security?
    Directly it does not threaten US security in the short run. A country in the Middle East that has shown a willingness to use chemical weapons however does directly threaten the security of our allies in the region, which can and does threaten our security indirectly.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We absolutely needed the investigations, and in fact need the UN investigation to be complete. The need may be mostly political, but it does not make the need less real.
    It's debatable I think. My favored outcome would have been a strike within 24-72 hours after the bombardment even if it was wholly limited in nature.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Way to go Obama. For a while there I thought he was having an intellectual breakdown.

    It didn't take 5 minutes before the right wing media, who we're criticizing him for NOT going through congress, started criticizing him for deciding TO go through congress.

    I just snickered. They are so predictable, huh?

    Anyways, kudos Obama.
    My neighbor warned me that would happen. Immediately after the President stated he'd seek congressional approval, he said, "Don't watch Fox News. They'll start condemning him for going to Congress knowing just yesterday they were bitching about him not going to Congress." Predictable....and laughable.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Whether its to pass the buck, to share blame when the operation leads to WW3, I don't care.

    Obama did the right thing.

    If we are going to do such an operation, we need the approval of the American people through its representatives!!

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It's debatable I think. My favored outcome would have been a strike within 24-72 hours after the bombardment even if it was wholly limited in nature.
    I prefer a longer timetable, if for no other reason than to be more sure we are right. Besides, it takes time to properly coordinate effective strikes(and some backbreaking labor...I could tell you stories...).
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Because it undermines the credibility of the President (Obama and future Presidents) to respond to crises, it sets the precedent that limited military involvement must go to Congress before action (which since Jefferson it usually has not), and after coming to the brink of intervention it boosts Assad, Russia, and their regional allies who can be more confident that the US is a defanged power after Iraq. All of those things in my view are bad and embarrassing.
    This limited action could lead to a larger regional war in a matter of days.

    that being the case, the Federal govt. should be united behind such an action.

    Obama did the right thing.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This situation in Syria has been going on for about 30 months, with Obama's "red line" having been crossed on multiple prior occasions, so will you please define, for us, exactly what constitutes a "crisis". Something that involved the death of four U.S. personnel in Libya was not a crisis, so why is the civil unrest (and associated deaths of foreigners) in Syria a "crisis" for the U.S.?
    The previous chemical attacks were so small-scale in nature that they did not seriously threaten the political credibility of the United States. What makes this an issue is that the President made it an issue. By challenging Assad openly, by confronting Russia, by calling for military action, by sending thousands of sailors to the brink of action, and by decisively claiming that atrocities had taken place and needed to be answered for. After organizing a military taskforce, calling for international allies, molding the global media narrative to indicate such action will take place, forcing Russia and Iran to vociferously defend their ally, and by putting an air of inevitability behind action the President I believe has created a situation where action must take place to avoid an extraordinarily dangerous loss of face. If we pull back from the brink I think it will influence foreign decision making dramatically.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    This limited action could lead to a larger regional war in a matter of days.

    that being the case, the Federal govt. should be united behind such an action.

    Obama did the right thing.
    I think this is extremely unlikely.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I prefer a longer timetable, if for no other reason than to be more sure we are right. Besides, it takes time to properly coordinate effective strikes(and some backbreaking labor...I could tell you stories...).
    My only strong preference for rapid strikes is that it instantly changes the media and political narrative. You'd have almost instantaneous approval from Turkey, France, the UK and a whole bevy of US allies who otherwise would be fearful of becoming involved (as we have seen) and the simple fact that it is easier to justify action already taken than to seek permission for said action. It also has the effect of being perceived more quickly as a reprimand rather than a prepared action which makes it easier to disengage if that isn't the plan.

    Again just my preference.

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