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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yes because the "trial balloon" of action minus Congressional approval didn't go over to well.

    It's too close to the 2014 midterms for Democrats to make ANOTHER Foreign Policy mistake.

    At least this way he has someone to blame
    Yes, you right wing folks just get silly sometimes. Had he acted without Congressional approval, you'd have been all over him. So he seeks congressional approval, and guess what - the right wing zealots are all over him. Nice one. You never disappoint.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It is extremely silly. Russia has no reason and never would have become militarily involved over Syria. Which while obvious to everyone was underlined by Sergei Lavrov just a few days ago... Egypt remains unrelated to Syria by the way.


    .....and China wouldn't have anything to do with it, while there are top level Iranian officials in Syria as we speak....

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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

    [QUOTE=TheGirlNextDoor;1062258287]Then why, are we not being supported by our strongest of allies, hmm?[/QUOTE



    Because of Bush's lies about Iraq having WMDs...

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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Because of Bush's lies about Iraq having WMDs...
    What's your assertion - that 80,000+ Kurds died from anal sex without lubricants? <rolls eyes>

    Heck yes Saddam had WMD's. But if USA is stupid enough to wait a decade between Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure Saddam may have send the chemicals to his buddy Assad rather than get caught with them. During Desert Storm he sent planes to Syria too in order to keep them from being destroyed. We caught most of them; but not all of them.

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    Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Appo

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, you right wing folks just get silly sometimes. Had he acted without Congressional approval, you'd have been all over him. So he seeks congressional approval, and guess what - the right wing zealots are all over him. Nice one. You never disappoint.
    Do you understand the difference between bush and Obama??

    Bush did not seek approval to go to war with an enemy...

    Obama is seeking approval to give support to our enemies.

    Obama is asking for justification for what should be called treason... Obama supporters has no low to far to stoop in their support for corruption.

    Just as bad as bush supporters were with his crimes.

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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

    Warning: some of this excerpt may be a bit graphic and disturbing to some and describes how Iraq wiped out about a half dozen towns. The below is a response to the poster who denied that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.


    On 15 March 1988 PUK and Iranian forces captured the town of Halabja, strategically situated above Lake Darbandikan to the east, inflicting heavy casualties on Iraqi forces. They seemed likely to advance to the Darbandikan dam. The following day Iraqi forces retaliated, shelling the town for several hours. During the afternoon those in air-raid shelters began to smell apple and garlic. Unable to prevent the entry of the gas, they stumbled out into the streets:
    Dead bodies -- human and animal -- littered the streets, huddled in doorways, slumped over the steering wheels of their cars. Survivors stumbled around, laughing hysterically, before collapsing... Those who had been directly exposed to the gas found that their symptoms worsened as the night wore on. Many children died along the way and were abandoned where they fell. Approximately 5,000 civilians died.

    Baghdad's savagery at Halabja had a shattering effect on Kurdish morale. It was well known how lethal chemical weapons could be, but it was now internationally clear that Saddam Hussein would resort to killing on a scale previously unimaginable in order to destroy those who threatened him.

    A week later al Majid initiated Anfal II, to destroy all Kurdish presence in Qara Dagh, south of Sulaymaniya, a mountain range already surrounded by Iraqi forces. Once again chemical attacks on one village after another preceded ground action. Soon the hills were thronged with fleeing people. The majority, moving north towards Sulaymaniya, were rounded up and taken to assembly areas where their names were recorded and their valuables and IDs removed. Male and female were segregated. The males were driven off to undisclosed locations and exterminated. On the southern side of Qara Dagh a more comprehensive policy prevailed: hundreds of women and children also disappeared without trace.

    With Anfal III in mid-April the scene shifted to Garmiyan, the area south of Kirkuk and adjacent to the west side of Qara Dagh which had also been a stronghold of the PUK. Once again all adult or teenage males captured began their nightmare journey to the execution grounds. In southern Garmiyan, where PUK resistance was fiercest, thousands of women and children were also taken for execution.
    In many cases the civilian population was rounded up by the jash (pro-government Kurdish forces). In some cases the jash allowed women or children to escape under cover of darkness. They had carte blanche to loot whatever they wished according to Quranic prescription: ''Give the men to us and you can have the property,'' as one Baathi put it. On the whole the jash were dutiful servants of the Anfal, probably unaware that their round-ups were not a prelude to confinement in mujama'at (settlements) but rather to mass execution.

    At the beginning of May the Anfal (IV) operation swung northwards to deal with the area between Kirkuk, Arbil and Koi-Sanjaq. Hundreds more died from chemical attack on the bank of the Lesser Zab. Out of sight, possibly 30,000 Kurds were taken away. In the areas of greatest resistance women and children too were taken to the execution grounds. During the summer months three more Anfal operations (V, VI and VII) were carried out to remove PUK forces in Balisan and the mountain recesses east of Shaqlawa. In certain cases the population was persuaded to turn themselves in on the spurious promise of pardon. It made no difference to their fate.

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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Warning: some of this excerpt may be a bit graphic and disturbing to some and describes how Iraq wiped out about a half dozen towns. The below is a response to the poster who denied that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.


    On 15 March 1988 PUK and Iranian forces captured the town of Halabja, strategically situated above Lake Darbandikan to the east, inflicting heavy casualties on Iraqi forces. They seemed likely to advance to the Darbandikan dam. The following day Iraqi forces retaliated, shelling the town for several hours. During the afternoon those in air-raid shelters began to smell apple and garlic. Unable to prevent the entry of the gas, they stumbled out into the streets:
    Dead bodies -- human and animal -- littered the streets, huddled in doorways, slumped over the steering wheels of their cars. Survivors stumbled around, laughing hysterically, before collapsing... Those who had been directly exposed to the gas found that their symptoms worsened as the night wore on. Many children died along the way and were abandoned where they fell. Approximately 5,000 civilians died.

    Baghdad's savagery at Halabja had a shattering effect on Kurdish morale. It was well known how lethal chemical weapons could be, but it was now internationally clear that Saddam Hussein would resort to killing on a scale previously unimaginable in order to destroy those who threatened him.

    A week later al Majid initiated Anfal II, to destroy all Kurdish presence in Qara Dagh, south of Sulaymaniya, a mountain range already surrounded by Iraqi forces. Once again chemical attacks on one village after another preceded ground action. Soon the hills were thronged with fleeing people. The majority, moving north towards Sulaymaniya, were rounded up and taken to assembly areas where their names were recorded and their valuables and IDs removed. Male and female were segregated. The males were driven off to undisclosed locations and exterminated. On the southern side of Qara Dagh a more comprehensive policy prevailed: hundreds of women and children also disappeared without trace.

    With Anfal III in mid-April the scene shifted to Garmiyan, the area south of Kirkuk and adjacent to the west side of Qara Dagh which had also been a stronghold of the PUK. Once again all adult or teenage males captured began their nightmare journey to the execution grounds. In southern Garmiyan, where PUK resistance was fiercest, thousands of women and children were also taken for execution.
    In many cases the civilian population was rounded up by the jash (pro-government Kurdish forces). In some cases the jash allowed women or children to escape under cover of darkness. They had carte blanche to loot whatever they wished according to Quranic prescription: ''Give the men to us and you can have the property,'' as one Baathi put it. On the whole the jash were dutiful servants of the Anfal, probably unaware that their round-ups were not a prelude to confinement in mujama'at (settlements) but rather to mass execution.

    At the beginning of May the Anfal (IV) operation swung northwards to deal with the area between Kirkuk, Arbil and Koi-Sanjaq. Hundreds more died from chemical attack on the bank of the Lesser Zab. Out of sight, possibly 30,000 Kurds were taken away. In the areas of greatest resistance women and children too were taken to the execution grounds. During the summer months three more Anfal operations (V, VI and VII) were carried out to remove PUK forces in Balisan and the mountain recesses east of Shaqlawa. In certain cases the population was persuaded to turn themselves in on the spurious promise of pardon. It made no difference to their fate.
    Who cares about Iraq?

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, you right wing folks just get silly sometimes. Had he acted without Congressional approval, you'd have been all over him. So he seeks congressional approval, and guess what - the right wing zealots are all over him. Nice one. You never disappoint.
    You are of course correct. The GOP will go after him no matter what. It will probably be fairly similar to what the democrats did with Bush.

    But...thats not what this is about. This is about the president making stupid statements, failing to back up those statements in May, and now, flexing, bowing up, sending in destroyers, sending out the clowns to make their case for action...then...grinding to a halt. Had England not bailed on him do you honestly believe he would have waited for congress? And when congress DOES get back, debate the issues, and vote it will likely have been close to a MONTH since the actual incident.

    Obama wants to hang the decision on congress. No matter what, he will then blame congress. If Congress is smart they will authorize the President to act as commander in chief based on what he believes to be the right course of action and put the **** sandwich right back in his hand.

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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Who cares about Iraq?
    People that think gassing women and children is a crime against humanity?

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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    People that think gassing women and children is a crime against humanity?
    Yeah, I can't help but notice that all these armchair carebears never enlist to go fight. So let me rephrase...who cares enough to do something about it besides pissing and moaning on the internet?

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