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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Alright, you just stated that the worse (although unlikely IYO) is for Syria to lash out at its neighbors, Turkey being one towhich the US is closely allied with. What if Turkey decides to strike back? Don't you think one of Syria's allies wouldn't come to their aid, the most likely being either Iran or Russia?

    Another bad scenario would be if Jordan decides to fight back against the inevitable Islamic insurgency that is sure to follow an U.S. unilateral strike. You've said it yourself that Egypt is unlikely to get involved which further confirms there's no buffer between a potential swarm of Muslim extremist fighting against Jordan but also making their way towards Israel.

    Hypothetical? But we all know the Middle-East is a powder keg waiting to explode. All the radicals need is a reason to light the fuse.

    My point here is there's a lot at stake here, far more than some people are willing to admit.
    Turkey would strike back because Turkey has included itself as part of a broader coalition. There are risks in any military action, however I think there a variety of good reasons to think that Assad's response would be extremely limited if anything at all.

    As for the rest... why would an 'Islamic insurgency' suddenly sprout in Jordan if the US, Turkey, and France launched a punitive raid on Syria? Where would this Islamist insurgency come from? Why? That is an extraordinary claim to make. Moreover to then propose that this would metastasize into a 'horde' of Islamists who would rampage into Israel and Egypt goes beyond a hypothetical suggestion--its fiction.

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    Re: Obatake military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If that's the 4-page white paper on the matter, I've read it. The one thing I'd insist on would be clear proof that the chemical weapons attack was sanctioned by the Syria government. Lack of such proof and very little international support for military action are the only real sticking point with me.
    Hey OV. Yeah - I just read it after I sent you the link. Looks like they had a ton of detail - more than I expected for a declassified summary. So we knew where the chemical munitions were being made, who was making them, had satellite and U-2 data (that's what geo spacial means, BTW) and on-the-ground information about gas masks being handed out before the attack, and lots of other information. Much as I think CIA, NSA, and the rest of the spooks overstep their boundaries versus our privacy; it seems they were collecting quite a bit of data on Syria these past few years. I agree with Obama that it was Assad. I am still left to wonder why it was OK for Al Qaeda and Assad to kill each other to the tune of 100,000 people and then get all spooled up about 1,400 folks on the back end 2 years later. Seems if we were that worried about human life we would have done something sooner; doesn't it? Are we hoping to draw Iran out of the woodwork with this so we can go after them when they do something to Israel? Or is that a bit too "grassy knoll"-ish?

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...cks-syria.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/intern...terranean.html

    They have a big chance to do the big dog in the region.
    Also considering that Putin see Obama and his actions of a bored child.
    He wouldn't dare to mess around with Bush, not even through TV. But with Obama seems to be so easy.
    Putin is not going to attack anyone. This. Will. Not. Happen. It is a fantastical suggestion. There is no plan to bomb Saudi Arabia. There is no plan to engage the United States. There is no plan to send an expeditionary force on a Middle Eastern jaunt.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The key to igniting WW3 is whether or not Israel is attacked. If they are, they most certainly will respond with military force. If that happens expect Russia, Iran, and probably China to start shooting too. I wonder if any of those countries with nukes can suppress the possibility of using them, especially if they are losing a conventional war. It will be interesting to see how other ME countries respond as well.
    I have read that we considered using them in Vietnam. Been years; but I can probably dig up articles/documents about that if you are curious. One of the Generals wrote about it years later.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Oh, it's laughable all right.

    Problem is, the world is laughing at the United States. Our President made his 5th grade level "red line" comments and then kept on doubling down on them. Now he says he's going to go to congress but is not even going to recall from a recess to do it. Yes siree bob, the world is laughing and wondering who will make the next foolish remarks, Obama or his Secretary of State.

    Of course it has all been predictable, we've already suffered through four years of his disasters.
    This looks just like the yappy little school yard bitch that starts running his mouth about kicking someones ass, then when no one else has jumped in, he starts telling people, "hold me back! You better hold me back...look...they held me back. You are LUCKY cuz I wuz gonna lay down a beat down like you aint never had before..."

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Barack Obama and the Congress is about to prove that they've been in favor of al-Qaeda all along. Remove the legitimate ruling government and install a puppet government with Al-Qaeda in charge. I guess Obama really does want to destroy this country by bringing on WW3. The saddest thing is that he was still the better choice between the two major parties.

    I should have known it would come to this when John McCain went to Syria in order to reveal classified documents. It was reported that he was shouting "Death to America" and "Allah u Akbar" often during the trip but it sounded so ridiculous that I didn't believe it.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Oh, it's laughable all right.
    Yeah, it's laughable. For every repub that is against both ways, there's a dem that's for both ways - and both go against their base platform.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Putin is not going to attack anyone. This. Will. Not. Happen. It is a fantastical suggestion. There is no plan to bomb Saudi Arabia. There is no plan to engage the United States. There is no plan to send an expeditionary force on a Middle Eastern jaunt.
    Putin cannot attack USA. He is our #6 creditor for USA public debt and we owe him an amount equal to 15% of his GDP. If we default he will have a severe debt crisis that pushes him into a major depression and possibly causes the end of his career and the existence of his party.

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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Putin is not going to attack anyone. This. Will. Not. Happen. It is a fantastical suggestion. There is no plan to bomb Saudi Arabia. There is no plan to engage the United States. There is no plan to send an expeditionary force on a Middle Eastern jaunt.
    Yeah, i also believe Russia wouldn't dare to attack USA.
    But i can't be sure they would not attack any other country. If they do, they will have the morale clean and no one can judge them. (Always if US is going to attack Syria without any evidence on sight yet or with out UN/Congress authorization).

    However, it depends how situation may go on.
    If Syria won't stand like Libya but will respond with force, it will eventually push US to get further involved (even if they go only for a strike by air and sea) and on that case everyone will try to benefit from that situation. Russia will love it. They are too harsh.
    Syria's port is very important for Russia, I do not think they will let it go from their hand so easy.

    Of course I do not see Syria as the the chance to start a WW3. No way.
    If Iran would be on the place of Syria now, I may doubt for it.
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    Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Yeah, i also believe Russia wouldn't dare to attack USA.
    But i can't be sure they would not attack any other country. If they do, they will have the morale clean and no one can judge them. (Always if US is going to attack Syria without any evidence on sight yet or with out UN/Congress authorization).

    However, it depends how situation may go on.
    If Syria won't stand like Libya but will respond with force, it will eventually push US to get further involved (even if they go only for a strike by air and sea) and on that case everyone will try to benefit from that situation. Russia will love it. They are too harsh.
    Syria's port is very important for Russia, I do not think they will let it go from their hand so easy.

    Of course I do not see Syria as the the chance to start a WW3. No way.
    If Iran would be on the place of Syria now, I may doubt for it.
    They are not going to attack anyone. To suggest otherwise is in all seriousness a ludicrous proposition. How Assad will react is debatable, but Russian military involvement is not a factor in consideration.

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