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'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

AngryOldGuy said:
No leader in his right mind from either party would get involved with that mess. I'm fairly certain a Conservative wouldn't be siding with the insurgents, that's not what we do. LBJ quit after screwing up nam, Clinton had Blackhawk down and attacked the wrong side in Yugoslavia Hell stop and think for a sec, sick Willie shot cruise missiles into Iraq on the eve of the impeachment hearings I contend that is the exact same thing ohbummer is trying to so here and as is par for the course he's mucked it up royally once more
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That's really really sick if your right!
 
AngryOldGuy said:
No leader in his right mind from either party would get involved with that mess. I'm fairly certain a Conservative wouldn't be siding with the insurgents, that's not what we do. LBJ quit after screwing up nam, Clinton had Blackhawk down and attacked the wrong side in Yugoslavia Hell stop and think for a sec, sick Willie shot cruise missiles into Iraq on the eve of the impeachment hearings I contend that is the exact same thing ohbummer is trying to so here and as is par for the course he's mucked it up royally once more
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What has yet to be explained is how a group of "good rebels" is going to take over and keep the WMDs from getting into the hands of the "bad rebels" once Assad and the Syrian military have been (briefly?) disabled. All seem to act as if there are but two forces active in Syria and that a "tiny push" from outside will somehow result in peace, love and tie dye. The fact that this did not occur in Egypt, Iraq or Libya is carefully avoided in all discussions.
 
disneydude said:
You are so predictable NP....you are the poster child for your "Party of NO". If a Republican were leading this cause you would be the biggest cheerleader on this board waving the American flag and chanting "USA USA USA".
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If a Republican were leading perhaps "this cause" would be better defined. Just what is "this cause' and what will victory look like?
 
How's this for twisted, if the GOP wasn't just Demokrat-lite they could have just said:
"hey if you want to fire off some cruise missiles in support of Al-Qaeda be our guest who cares?
we are in the process of rallying support to defund Obamacare and coming up with a plan to reduce
your ability to continue funding the government with a series of continuing resolutions
(which is in violation of the Constitution by the way)"
 
AngryOldGuy said:
of course I'm right and it makes me a sad sad panda
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Mornin Angry, up early in the desert huh? Perhaps you are right on the timing, however, regime change is a long time US foreign policy goal for Syria.
 
disneydude said:
Like Iraq? LOL.....good one!
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That's for sure no matter who was leading "this cause" but then that's the US foreign policy goal for the region, destabilisation. It's much easier to exploit.
 
Montecresto said:
regime change is a US foreign policy goal for Syria
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Change to what? The Moselm Brotherhood and or Al Qaeda? pshaw, American foreign policy is so screwed up no one knows what the hell is going on. We can't even begin to know what our 'national interest' consists of anymore. One thing is for certain the mid-east will continue to be a pain in the arse for the rest of our lives. We should just cordon the place off and wean ourselves from foreign oil exports through domestic exploration and greater energy efficiency. If western Europe wants oil let them buy it from the Rooskies! Heck how 'bout this once we didn't need their oil we could embargo the Arab's from exporting oil?!? heh heh
 
AngryOldGuy said:
Change to what? The Moselm Brotherhood and or Al Qaeda? pshaw, American foreign policy is so screwed up no one knows what the hell is going on. We can't even begin to know what our 'national interest' consists of anymore. One thing is for certain the mid-east will continue to be a pain in the arse for the rest of our lives. We should just cordon the place off and wean ourselves from foreign oil exports through domestic exploration and greater energy efficiency. If western Europe wants oil let them buy it from the Rooskies! Heck how 'bout this once we didn't need their oil we could embargo the Arab's from exporting oil?!? heh heh
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That won't happen.
 
Grant said:
No, nothing like Iraq is being planned, as far as I know.

In fact do you know what the plan actually is??
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Well that's good....

Only what we've been told...but when it comes to military action, I don't think we can ever trust what we are being told, whether its a Republican or a Democrat.
 
disneydude said:
Well that's good....

Only what we've been told...but when it comes to military action, I don't think we can ever trust what we are being told, whether its a Republican or a Democrat.
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What have you been told?
 
"I feel confident that what follows represents the overwhelming opinion of serving professionals who have been intimate witnesses to the unfolding events that will lead the United States into its next war.

They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.

They are repelled by the hypocrisy of a media blitz that warns against the return of Hitlerism but privately acknowledges that the motive for risking American lives is our “responsibility to protect” the world’s innocents. Prospective U.S. action in Syria is not about threats to American security. The U.S. military’s civilian masters privately are proud that they are motivated by guilt over slaughters in Rwanda, Sudan and Kosovo and not by any systemic threat to our country.

They are outraged by the fact that what may happen is an act of war and a willingness to risk American lives to make up for a slip of the tongue about “red lines.” These acts would be for retribution and to restore the reputation of a president. Our serving professionals make the point that killing more Syrians won’t deter Iranian resolve to confront us. The Iranians have already gotten the message".

U.S. military planners don’t support war with Syria - The Washington Post
 
disneydude said:
Well that's good....

Only what we've been told...but when it comes to military action, I don't think we can ever trust what we are being told, whether its a Republican or a Democrat.
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Man you never miss a chance to take a shot at our military, the very guys that are giving their lives so you can do it....So sad.
 
Navy Pride said:
Man you never miss a chance to take a shot at our military, the very guys that are giving their lives so you can do it....So sad.
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Who's taking a shot at the military? You need to read more carefully NP....or maybe its a problem with reading comprehension. My distrust is not with the military but with those in charge of calling the shots. I don't trust Obama in this regard anymore than I trusted GWB.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
Given a choice between her and Krazy Uncle Joe she'd certainly have my vote!


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THey are both senile.
 
Navy Pride said:
are you serious Obama is destroying this country and all our allies think he is gutless.
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What are you basing this on? Seems like Obama is taking a position similar to most of our allies. If they really think he is gutless, then what are they? LOL.....you are stretching on this one NP.
 
disneydude said:
What are you basing this on? Seems like Obama is taking a position similar to most of our allies. If they really think he is gutless, then what are they? LOL.....you are stretching on this one NP.
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Bush and Clinton made decisions on intervention and Obama is afraid to do it..........He throws it on the congress then if things go bad he can blame them, if they go good then he will take the credit........The whole world is laughing is laughing at this gutless wonder.
 
Navy Pride said:
Bush and Clinton made decisions on intervention and Obama is afraid to do it..........He throws it on the congress then if things go bad he can blame them, if they go good then he will take the credit........The whole world is laughing is laughing at this gutless wonder.
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LOL....like I said Navy....you would be all for intervention if the President had an (R) after his name. You would be flag waving and cheerleading. Lets be honest.
 
Navy Pride said:
Bush and Clinton made decisions on intervention and Obama is afraid to do it..........He throws it on the congress then if things go bad he can blame them, if they go good then he will take the credit........The whole world is laughing is laughing at this gutless wonder.
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BTW....Bush's "intervention" was probably one of the dumbest moves we have made as a country....and he left the mess for this administration to clean up. They couldn't even capture Bin Laden.....
 
disneydude said:
BTW....Bush's "intervention" was probably one of the dumbest moves we have made as a country....and he left the mess for this administration to clean up. They couldn't even capture Bin Laden.....
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Obama took credit over the SEAL team but Bush did all the leg work.
 
Navy Pride said:
Obama took credit over the SEAL team but Bush did all the leg work.
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LOL....okie dokie. Certainly the Navy Seals deserve a lot of the credit. But Bush doing the leg work? That is absolutely ridiculous. Bush took his eye off of those who attacked us. He used 911 as an opportunity to justify attacking Iraq. Bush couldn't get OBL because he wasn't focused. Obama put the focus back on those who attacked us and got the job done.
 
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