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'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

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APACHERAT said:
Read the Fatwa. In the beginning it was about American troops being in Saudia Arabia. It was our cut and running away from Somalia that Bin Laden looked upon America being a paper tiger and he came to the wrong conclusion that when Al Qaeda attacked America on it's own soil on 9-11-01 that Bush's response would be the same as Clinton's launch some cruise missiles.
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At least you agree he came to wrong conclusion then. If you want an example of NPD, go no further than UBL. He saw his Looney Toons plan to knock one building on top of the other with a van full of explosives not work, and decided the US didn't assassinate him afterwards because we were cowards. But did we leave Kenya, Tanzania, or Yemen after the al Qaeda bombings like we did after the humanitarian mission in Somalia?

It seems to me that that's the mentality of a narcissist, that even after all those examples, and Clinton's retaliation with missile strikes in Sudan and Afghanistan, that he still concluded that the US was a "paper tiger." At least the Japanese Empire learned their mistake after Pearl Harbor; unfortunate that UBL didn't have the capacity to learn from that as well.

So concluding that 9/11 is the result of Black Hawk Down is only true in an indirect, historic, hindsights' 20-20 sense or POV of UBL sense. Unfortunately that's not a very informative conclusion to make for looking at new situations, as it hinges on the irrational and unpredictable nature of a guy like UBL who's too stupid yet personally ambitious to realize his plans were not working (not getting the US out of the Middle East). It's like the people that say appeasement doesn't work because Chamberlain and Hitler blah blah blah; well, Hitler was a unique character and the circumstances were specific to the point that you could not recreate those conditions again. Bringing it back around, it certainly offers no concrete guidance for our current situation in Syria. We cannot say that not striking=another 9/11, or striking=another 9/11 with any degree of certainty.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Obama may be the most incompetent Commander in Chief of the U.S. military in history but he is still the one who issues the orders.
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Exactly. The electorate decided they wanted a Community Organizer for President so they should let him alone to organize the international community as he deems appropriate and necessary.

Can anyone possibly disagree with that noted Hollywood philosopher, Susan Sarandon, who once said: "He is a community organizer like Jesus was ... And now, we're a community and he can organize us."

Isn't that just fabulous?
 
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aberrant85 said:
What looks of aggression?
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9/11. Remember that? Was a big day in our history. Its why Bush went to war. Not because anyone was having a civil war in a country that means nothing to us.
 
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aberrant85 said:
At least you agree he came to wrong conclusion then. If you want an example of NPD, go no further than UBL. He saw his Looney Toons plan to knock one building on top of the other with a van full of explosives not work, and decided the US didn't assassinate him afterwards because we were cowards. But did we leave Kenya, Tanzania, or Yemen after the al Qaeda bombings like we did after the humanitarian mission in Somalia?
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We weren't in Kenya, Tanzania or Yeman before 9-11-01.

Yeman post 9/11 is better known as "Bush's Secret War Against Al Qaeda."

What hasn't been scrubbed from the internet is best not to be posted on the DP.
You may or may not remember when "Bush's Secret War Against Al Qaeda" was leaked back in late May of 2012. The Special Warfare community went nuts.
 
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Grant said:
Exactly. The electorate decided they wanted a Community Organizer for President so they should let him alone to organize the international community as he deems appropriate and necessary.

Can anyone possibly disagree with that noted Hollywood philosopher, Susan Sarandon, who once said: "He is a community organizer like Jesus was ... And now, we're a community and he can organize us."

Isn't that just fabulous?
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Most Americans especially the uneducated, uninformed and misinformed have no idea what a community organizer is. Did I just describe Obama's voters ? I believe I did.

Saul Alinsky is who created the community organizer to agitate and organize uneducated people to further a radical socialist agenda.

Most community organizers in America are radical un-American internationalist socialist. Those community organizers who aren't are usually society's losers who can't make it in the private sector. I believe Obama is both.

"Industrial Areas Foundation" are schools for radicals that Alinsky has set up all over the world to keep the pipe line full of socialist trouble makers.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Saving millions of US dollars. Possible many American lives.
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Right now I do not see an airstrike doing that
 
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APACHERAT said:
So noted.The buck stopped at Bush's desk and Bush didn't spend eight years blaming Clinton's failed anti terrorist policies. Probably because unlike the current President, Bush didn't suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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How about that buck again? Wasn't it Bush that said he can run but he can't hide? bin Laden sure proved that theory wrong, huh? As a matter of fact Bush was dealing with the leader of Pakistan and was believing all of his lies; and, when asked about the hunt for bin Laden by the press Bush replied with a nonchalant answer. :shrug:
 
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Bob N said:
How about that buck again? Wasn't it Bush that said he can run but he can't hide? bin Laden sure proved that theory wrong, huh? As a matter of fact Bush was dealing with the leader of Pakistan and was believing all of his lies; and, when asked about the hunt for bin Laden by the press Bush replied with a nonchalant answer. :shrug:
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Did we find him ? If we are to believe Obama and a few Navy SEAL's we did.

And it was G.W. Bush's policies that led to finding Bin Laden. Even Leon Panetta finally had come out agreeing that it was Bush's policies that Obama opposed that led to Bin Laden.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Most Americans especially the uneducated, uninformed and misinformed have no idea what a community organizer is. Did I just describe Obama's voters ? I believe I did.

Saul Alinsky is who created the community organizer to agitate and organize uneducated people to further a radical socialist agenda.

Most community organizers in America are radical un-American internationalist socialist. Those community organizers who aren't are usually society's losers who can't make it in the private sector. I believe Obama is both.

"Industrial Areas Foundation" are schools for radicals that Alinsky has set up all over the world to keep the pipe line full of socialist trouble makers.
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It smacks of some deep and dark conspiracy theory, doesn't it? But what you say is true.

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American Thinker: Obama as Leninoid
 
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Grant said:
It smacks of some deep and dark conspiracy theory, doesn't it?
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Exactly.

The precise nonsense your Americanized right wing brain is keen to believe.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Exactly.

The precise nonsense your Americanized right wing brain is keen to believe.
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"Precise nonsense", Jetbogieman? If this nonsense is so precise why not point it out?

If you hate Americans just say so, many do, but at least have the courtesy to read a post before you respond.
 
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Grant said:
If you hate Americans just say so, many do, but at least have the courtesy to read a post before you respond.
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I don't Hate Americans, quite the opposite in fact.

I do find a large part of it's right wing stuck in the medieval ages and prone to believing conspiracy theories about Obama.

What's even more fascinating is a Canadian who is even more gullible than the right wingers on this board to go for those same bizarre conspiracy theories.
 
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Jetbogieman said:
I don't Hate Americans, quite the opposite in fact.
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Then why would you make such as "The precise nonsense your Americanized right wing brain is keen to believe" if you didn't hate Americans?
I do find a large part of it's right wing stuck in the medieval ages and prone to believing conspiracy theories about Obama.
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Do you?
What's even more fascinating is a Canadian who is even more gullible than the right wingers on this board to go for those same bizarre conspiracy theories.
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You may not know this but Canadians are generally a moderate people and don't throw around names and slogans the way the less educated do. Instead we will look at evidence before we make a decision rather than forming that decision in the dark.

You are from another continent, aren't you?
 
CRUE CAB said:
9/11. Remember that? Was a big day in our history. Its why Bush went to war. Not because anyone was having a civil war in a country that means nothing to us.
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Iraq caused 9/11? I thought Clinton pulling out of Somalia caused it. Which is it?
 
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APACHERAT said:
Did we find him ? If we are to believe Obama and a few Navy SEAL's we did.

And it was G.W. Bush's policies that led to finding Bin Laden. Even Leon Panetta finally had come out agreeing that it was Bush's policies that Obama opposed that led to Bin Laden.
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Now if only GW would have used them we would have got him quicker during GW's administration and than I bet you you would actually believe that President and a few Navy Seals? :roll:
 
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Grant said:
Americanized right wing brain
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That is a complete statement.

You suck on the teat of the American Right Wing noise machine.


Instead we will look at evidence before we make a decision rather than forming that decision in the dark.
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This is not something you do at all.

You do a google search for about minutes, find a right wing editorial piece and post it as fact.

You are not a moderate.

You are a tea party wannabe.
 
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Here's the deal.....

Yea, it's horrible that Assad is gassing his own people, but it's none of our business, unless it threatens our own interests. Should the US strike Syria? Well, should we have bombed Hitler while he was gassing Jews? We didn't, not until after Pearl Harbor. THEN we declared war on Germany. How about Striking Cambodia while Pol Pot was murdering most of the population there? We didn't. Here's the deal. We only attacked other nations for two reasons....

1) They legitimately threatened US interests.

OR

2) For political reasons. This is why Bush went to war in Iraq, and guess what? Obama is Bush on friggen steroids.

And now, Obama is attempting to back Congress into a corner for yet more political reasons. If Assad goes completely out of control, Obama will then point the finger at Congress and say "It's YOUR fault that we are not attempting to deal with a tragedy". But WHAT tragedy? A tragedy that is happening thousands of miles from our shores? OK, let's bomb Syria. While we are at it, let's invade Africa because they are killing each other there. Let's invade Mexico because drug gangs have killed more civilians than Assad has. Let's invade........ Well, you get the picture.

Here's what we do.... We make our case before the United Nations, and let THEM decide. Then let's go back to rebuilding America. Hey, that's a novel idea..... America first. Why didn't any of our politicians think of that? Because they are all douche bags who don't give two craps for America. THAT's why.
 
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ecofarm said:
Are you gonna tell us who the REAL enemies are, or not?
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Well, what are our policies since WW II? China and Russia/Soviets continue to oppose the USA in proxy wars all over the globe. Their prop-ups in N. Korea, Iran and now Syria. All who oppose the existence of Israel, across both aisles. I now return DP to the the Amash coalition.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
That is a complete statement. You suck on the teat of the American Right Wing noise machine. This is not something you do at all. You do a google search for about minutes, find a right wing editorial piece and post it as fact. You are not a moderate. You are a tea party wannabe.
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I've become quite accustomed to your emotional outbursts, Jetbogieman, but shouldn't you really try to debate the issues rather than attempting to analyze another poster on an internet web site? I know you hate Americans, despite your denials, but it doesn't matter to me.

Perhaps if you were to read a bit more it might help you to look at the issues with a clearer pov and expand your thinking beyond your usual "right wing" hysteria. Don't you think that developing a broader outlook might help you to eventually calm down and behave more rationally?
 
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danarhea said:
Here's the deal.....

Yea, it's horrible that Assad is gassing his own people, but it's none of our business, unless it threatens our own interests. Should the US strike Syria? Well, should we have bombed Hitler while he was gassing Jews? We didn't, not until after Pearl Harbor. THEN we declared war on Germany. How about Striking Cambodia while Pol Pot was murdering most of the population there? We didn't. Here's the deal. We only attacked other nations for two reasons....

1) They legitimately threatened US interests.

OR

2) For political reasons. This is why Bush went to war in Iraq, and guess what? Obama is Bush on friggen steroids.

And now, Obama is attempting to back Congress into a corner for yet more political reasons. If Assad goes completely out of control, Obama will then point the finger at Congress and say "It's YOUR fault that we are not attempting to deal with a tragedy". But WHAT tragedy? A tragedy that is happening thousands of miles from our shores? OK, let's bomb Syria. While we are at it, let's invade Africa because they are killing each other there. Let's invade Mexico because drug gangs have killed more civilians than Assad has. Let's invade........ Well, you get the picture.

Here's what we do.... We make our case before the United Nations, and let THEM decide. Then let's go back to rebuilding America. Hey, that's a novel idea..... America first. Why didn't any of our politicians think of that? Because they are all douche bags who don't give two craps for America. THAT's why.
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If the UN decides then it should be the UN sending in the troops.
 
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Grant said:
If the UN decides then it should be the UN sending in the troops.
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There's no profit in that. Better put some boots on the ground.
 
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Grant said:
If the UN decides then it should be the UN sending in the troops.
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Two problems with that:

1: any UN involvement would have to require the approval of the security council, and since china and Russia would veto any attempt to get involved, there is no way to win approval.

2. If the security council does give a green light for action in syria, the United States would still have to contribute to any UN backed coalition, and we would most likely contribute 60% to 80% of the combat forces of the coalition.
 
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