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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

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    You mad bro?
    You flame baiting, bro?

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    'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

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    Thats what I said, an ad hominem attack.
    You seem to misunderstand what an ad hom attack is...

    Personalization is not an attack; and I was using analogy to address the argument not you as a person.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

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    The US military was involved in oh so many military actions without congressional approval........

    1983–89 – Honduras. In July 1983, the United States undertook a series of exercises in Honduras that some believed might lead to conflict with Nicaragua. On March 25, 1986, unarmed U.S. military helicopters and crewmen ferried Honduran troops to the Nicaraguan border to repel Nicaraguan troops....
    Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Too many to list.

    Milatary action started in Iraq sometime between April to June of 2002 and Bush didn't get congressional authorization until October 2002....thats five months after military action had already started. So Bush broke the law but hey, you voted for him so that makes it okay, eh?

    Congress didn't approve Kosovo at all....
    Washingtonpost.com: Clinton's War Powers Upheld

    Oh so now you're saying it is legal to use military action without congressional approval? Back peddle much?

    Regan did not have congressional authority to attack Libya....

    Operation El Dorado Canyon

    The attack was condemned by many countries. By a vote of 79 in favor to 28 against with 33 abstentions, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 41/38 which "condemns the military attack perpetrated against the Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya on 15 April 1986, which constitutes a violation of the Charter of the United Nations and of international law."[41]

    A meeting of the Non-Aligned Movement said that it condemned the "dastardly, blatant and unprovoked act of aggression". The League of Arab States expressed that it was outraged at the United States aggression and that it reinforced an element of anarchy in international relations. The Assembly of Heads of State of the African Union in its declaration said that the deliberate attempt to kill Libyans violated the principles of international law. The Government of Iran asserted that the attack constituted a policy of aggression, gunboat diplomacy, an act of war, and called for an extensive political and economic boycott of the United States. Others saw the United States motive as an attempt to eliminate Libya's revolution.[32] China stated that the US attack violated norms of international relations and had aggravated tension in the region. The Soviet Union said that there was a clear link between the attack and U.S. policy aimed at stirring up existing hotbeds of tension and creating new ones, and at destabilizing the international situation. West Germany stated that international disputes required diplomatic and not military solutions, and France also criticized the bombing. Italy, Spain, and France all denied the US use of their airspace en route to Libya. This forced the USAF's F-111s, stationed at RAF Lakenheath in Great Britain, to circumnavigate continental Europe and approach Libya via the Strait of Gibraltar.[42]

    Some observers held the opinion that Article 51 of the UN Charter set limitations on the use of force in exercising the legitimate right of self-defense in the absence of an act of aggression, and affirmed that there was no such act by Libya. It was charged that the United States did not bother to exhaust the Charter provisions for settling disputes under Article 33. Others asserted that Libya was innocent in the bombing of the West Berlin discothèque.[43]...."
    1986 United States bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Oh, so it's only illegal when a democrat president does it, eh? Or is it just black presidents?



    Nice cut and paste. Too bad you didn't read it yourself.
    Good shift from war powers act violations in Nicaragua then claiming they happened in Hondo. Our Army can conduct training anywhere it wants and with who it wants but you probably knew that. Dig deep enough and you will find the flight records shown all such "ferry" flights back then were logged as training flights or support for the Hondo military. No combat time logged. No harm, no foul there.

    Clinton and Kosovo? Yeah, he got congressional approval but not for that stupid operation. You could also lay a big part of the blame with him in turning NATO from a defensive organization into an aggressor organization.

    Regan and Libya? No chance at a violation with that one. Back in those days Libya was actually a threat and was doing things threating to us until Regan bombed them. After that, they went to back burner status until they completely reformed. Then of course, Obama did his thing when they were a threat to no one but themselves.
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The US military was involved in oh so many military actions without congressional approval........

    1983–89 – Honduras. In July 1983, the United States undertook a series of exercises in Honduras that some believed might lead to conflict with Nicaragua. On March 25, 1986, unarmed U.S. military helicopters and crewmen ferried Honduran troops to the Nicaraguan border to repel Nicaraguan troops....
    Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Too many to list.

    Milatary action started in Iraq sometime between April to June of 2002 and Bush didn't get congressional authorization until October 2002....thats five months after military action had already started. So Bush broke the law but hey, you voted for him so that makes it okay, eh?

    Congress didn't approve Kosovo at all....
    Washingtonpost.com: Clinton's War Powers Upheld

    Oh so now you're saying it is legal to use military action without congressional approval? Back peddle much?

    Regan did not have congressional authority to attack Libya....

    Operation El Dorado Canyon

    The attack was condemned by many countries. By a vote of 79 in favor to 28 against with 33 abstentions, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 41/38 which "condemns the military attack perpetrated against the Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya on 15 April 1986, which constitutes a violation of the Charter of the United Nations and of international law."[41]

    A meeting of the Non-Aligned Movement said that it condemned the "dastardly, blatant and unprovoked act of aggression". The League of Arab States expressed that it was outraged at the United States aggression and that it reinforced an element of anarchy in international relations. The Assembly of Heads of State of the African Union in its declaration said that the deliberate attempt to kill Libyans violated the principles of international law. The Government of Iran asserted that the attack constituted a policy of aggression, gunboat diplomacy, an act of war, and called for an extensive political and economic boycott of the United States. Others saw the United States motive as an attempt to eliminate Libya's revolution.[32] China stated that the US attack violated norms of international relations and had aggravated tension in the region. The Soviet Union said that there was a clear link between the attack and U.S. policy aimed at stirring up existing hotbeds of tension and creating new ones, and at destabilizing the international situation. West Germany stated that international disputes required diplomatic and not military solutions, and France also criticized the bombing. Italy, Spain, and France all denied the US use of their airspace en route to Libya. This forced the USAF's F-111s, stationed at RAF Lakenheath in Great Britain, to circumnavigate continental Europe and approach Libya via the Strait of Gibraltar.[42]

    Some observers held the opinion that Article 51 of the UN Charter set limitations on the use of force in exercising the legitimate right of self-defense in the absence of an act of aggression, and affirmed that there was no such act by Libya. It was charged that the United States did not bother to exhaust the Charter provisions for settling disputes under Article 33. Others asserted that Libya was innocent in the bombing of the West Berlin discothèque.[43]...."
    1986 United States bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Oh, so it's only illegal when a democrat president does it, eh?
    Or is it just black presidents?



    Nice cut and paste. Too bad you didn't read it yourself.
    And there you have it.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Hmm well there we go, as long as we are focused on Syria all that talk about those 'phony' scandals is long forgotten.
    I contend there's only issue that all Americans regardless of party affiliation or political bent should be concerned with and
    that is, "Mr President, where are the jobs" Just that over and over and over again: It's the economy stupid.

    When you awake tomorrow morning will what went on in Syria have any effect on your day?

    But, but, but....the unemployment rate just reported to have dropped again, with only 169K jobs created....Nevermind that Obama incompetence is on full display in every facet of his administration, lets just focus on this, what should be a non issue....The head line should be on page A27 next to the ad for erectile disfunction medication, reading, "Dictators in ME continue to kill their own people....YAWN!"
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    No, worse than that... They are supporting the same terrorists that perpetrated 9-11.
    Its really unbelievable That Liberals led by the biggest Liberal of all want to help the terrorists...........
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    No Navy it makes perfect sense to me

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You are probaby the 10th person to post that video, NP. Newsflash, Syria is in the middle of a civil war.
    evidently a lot of you lefties did not watch. Stay the hell out of Syria..........No waste of our military lives or treasure....period
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Really, and here I thought it was you righties who think murdering our people is a natural right.
    Obama is a righty in your mind?
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