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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Why won't Boehner call for a vote, as the British Parliament did? Would Boehner invite the President to "debate" as the Brits do?
    More than likely due to this.

    Now, House Republicans lead the calls for President Barack Obama to convene a joint session of Congress to lay out his case to the lawmakers and the American people. Some in both parties demand a vote before any military strikes occur.

    More than 90 members of Congress, most of them Republican, have signed a letter to the president urging him "to consult and receive authorization" before authorizing any such military action, according to the office of GOP Rep. Scott Rigell of Virginia.

    Meanwhile, 54 House Democrats mostly representing the party's progressive wing sent Obama a letter Thursday that said "we strongly urge you to seek an affirmative decision of Congress prior to committing any U.S. military engagement to this complex crisis."

    In a letter to Obama on Wednesday, House Speaker John Boehner called on the president to "provide a clear, unambiguous explanation of how military action -- which is a means, not a policy -- will secure U.S. objectives and how it fits into your overall policy" regarding Syria.

    "I respectfully request that you, as our country's commander-in-chief, personally make the case to the American people and Congress for how potential military action will secure American national security interests, preserve America's credibility, deter the future use of chemical weapons, and, critically, be a part of our broader policy and strategy," Boehner's letter said.

    "In addition, it is essential you address on what basis any use of force would be legally justified and how the justification comports with the exclusive authority" of Congress to declare war under the Constitution, the Ohio Republican wrote.....snip~

    Congress wants a voice on Syrian chemical weapons response - CNN.com

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Command and control facilities are not necessary to deploy and use chemical weapons. Besides, he's had so much warning he'll simply hide mobile command and control among civilian targets before anyone gets a chance to strike.
    That's exactly right. Since Obama has been telling everyone exactly what he's going to do, the dynamics of events on the ground have turned intel that is only 24 hours old into stale information, because Assad has mobilized his C-n-C apparatus and it won't remain static long enough for our missile boats to get a fix on it and score a confirmed kill.

    Something else we need to think about, is if Obama targets Assad directly, he will be in violation of the law and therefore could possibly face impeachment.
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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Command and control facilities are not necessary to deploy and use chemical weapons. Besides, he's had so much warning he'll simply hide mobile command and control among civilian targets before anyone gets a chance to strike.
    I doubt that. We have a great military that has proven themselves time and time again. No one is going to get ahead of our military.
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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I doubt that. We have a great military that has proven themselves time and time again. No one is going to get ahead of our military.
    I agree, we have a great military. Also a conscientious one. We won't strike anything sitting in the courtyard of a hospital or school...ask Saddam.
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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In other words, no matter how many times reality refutes you, you will remain dogmatic and absolutist on the issue. Ok.
    You have a tendency to make "cryptic statements." Do not assume everyone is on your wave length. Please make youself clear in your first response. Explain "reality refutes me."

    Thank you.

    As for dogmatic and absolutist? Hell yes when it comes to declaring war or attacking people in a "police action." Haven't been enough "police actions" in our lifetimes for you?

    People seem to think the use of military force is some kind of chip in a game. Actions like this have consequences and repercussions well beyond stupidity of the act itself. Then people wonder why a 9/11? Why a Boston Marathon bomb attack? Why hijack planes or try to use biological weapons on us? Why all the threats to OUR national security that is evolving us into a near police state out of fear?

    People act like just because we have the highest tech army, we are immune from reprisals. Clearly we are not! So before we go off and attack more people, hows about stepping back and facing a little REAL reality? We do not have a duty to save the rest of the world. We have a duty to preserve OUR liberty and defend OUR allies. That's IT!
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I really can't see us changing the minds of those who think we're bullies or the ones that are our friends. Why Bush himself said that he thought Bashar al-Assad and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were great buddies while he was in office. And as for the mad terrorists, they're already on the move to start with.
    We don't need to change peoples minds. We need to mind our OWN business. Nice...I noticed you left out the two bits about collateral damage and act of war on a country we are not at war with.

    As for terrorists? We may not change the minds of those already pissed off, but we can sure as hell stop encouraging more people to join them. As I said in another post, if someone sees a loved one killed by a bomb or a bullet in our constant acts of "collateral damage," they become ripe for recruitment in a little payback.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    It's a commonly used phrase in the military itself. Get a ****ing grip. Why don't you take up your quibble with Martin Dempsey while you're at it?

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    Uh...get a ****ing grip? I don't have to get a ****ing grip. And I don't know who Martin Dempsey is. If you have no more respect for our troops than to refer to them as boot...then I suggest "give some ****ing respect".

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

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    'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response - CNN.com



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    No President, or leader of a country, should enter into "acts of war" without the full expectation that putting "boots on the ground" may be the result of such acts of war. If you attack, you should and must be prepared to finish the job if that's what it takes.
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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I doubt that. We have a great military that has proven themselves time and time again. No one is going to get ahead of our military.
    The US has the greatest military in the world but not the greatest leadership, which is why Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya are not considered victories. Plus they have lost four 4-star generals, if i recall correctly..

    And despite what many of the American people would like, the USA is the 'Policeman of the World' and dictatorships everywhere will be watching for Obama's response. That is not to say they should attack Syria, however, unless it is entirely in American interests to do so. It is not even certain just who will replace the present regime or what their intentions might be..

    Obama will fight a political war to satisfy his base and the Nobel committee, as usual, rather than a military war. Anyone who fights under Barrack Obama must love their country very much.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Uh...get a ****ing grip? I don't have to get a ****ing grip.
    Probably should though.

    And I don't know who Martin Dempsey is.
    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Top ranking General in the Army? Must not care about the troops either though, cause he used a phrase not to your liking.

    If you have no more respect for our troops than to refer to them as boot...then I suggest "give some ****ing respect".
    Because the phrase obviously refers to their feet only. Look, even the Navy hates the military! : Boots on Ground/Deck Program

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