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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Why is any of this our problem?

    I haven't followed this at all, but 10 bucks says the Europeans don't lift a finger, and the US gets dragged in to ANOTHER armed conflict that has nothing to do with us, and that AMERICAN young people die while the rest of the world sits around sipping tea waiting for us to make the world safer for them.

    And then they will criticize us for it.

    No, I want no part of this. America should focus on America, on making our economy better, etc. Who gives a **** about Syria.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Of course we are...but it's subtle and largely covert. What we're talking about doing now is overt and kinetic. It does change things.
    Yes, I see what you mean.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why is any of this our problem?

    I haven't followed this at all, but 10 bucks says the Europeans don't lift a finger, and the US gets dragged in to ANOTHER armed conflict that has nothing to do with us, and that AMERICAN young people die while the rest of the world sits around sipping tea waiting for us to make the world safer for them.

    And then they will criticize us for it.

    No, I want no part of this. America should focus on America, on making our economy better, etc. Who gives a **** about Syria.
    Wasserman Schultz, Florida Democrat and one of the DNCs leaders...also huge supporter of Obama, says "dozens" of countries will be with us and saying "never again" with respect to the use of chem weapons. Sounds like this has more traction than I originally thought.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Who gives a **** about Syria. Not our problem. They got nothing we want. So let them fight it out. We don't want either side to win so we can't take sides.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Wasserman Schultz, Florida Democrat and one of the DNCs leaders...also huge supporter of Obama, says "dozens" of countries will be with us and saying "never again" with respect to the use of chem weapons. Sounds like this has more traction than I originally thought.
    Doesn't every country that signed this chemical weapons agreement have an obligation to intervene when chemical weapons are used? Otherwise, what is the point of signing such agreements?

    Chemical Weapons Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, I see what you mean.
    I just want to say this shouldn't be political. And people should be under no illusion that this could possibly draw us in to something bigger. I believe they are emboldened by the indecisiveness of our leaders (Obama has said after all...no boots on ground, no no-fly zone, only a shot across the bow, we are "war weary"). I think they see the opportunity to call our bluff.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Wasserman Schultz, Florida Democrat and one of the DNCs leaders...also huge supporter of Obama, says "dozens" of countries will be with us and saying "never again" with respect to the use of chem weapons. Sounds like this has more traction than I originally thought.
    Great then those dozens of countries can send in their military might to take care of the problem. Leave ours alone.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Doesn't every country that signed this chemical weapons agreement have an obligation to intervene when chemical weapons are used? Otherwise, what is the point of signing such agreements?

    Chemical Weapons Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Moot! Why are you searching for any excuse to attack?! Haha. Notice that Syria didn't sign any international agreement concerning not using chemical weapons (it's even within the article you cited.). That is why pundits are saying "violating international "norms"" instead of law. Syria has violated no law because they have agreed to no such terms. We have not signed similar agreements with respect to cluster munitions. So if we use them, we can not be held to account.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I just want to say this shouldn't be political. And people should be under no illusion that this could possibly draw us in to something bigger. I believe they are emboldened by the indecisiveness of our leaders (Obama has said after all...no boots on ground, no no-fly zone, only a shot across the bow, we are "war weary"). I think they see the opportunity to call our bluff.
    It's difficult not to see the political ramifications no matter what Obama does. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes and have to make such a decision.

    Moot! Why are you searching for any excuse to attack?! Haha. Notice that Syria didn't sign any international agreement concerning not using chemical weapons (it's even within the article you cited.). That is why pundits are saying "violating international "norms"" instead of law. Syria has violated no law because they have agreed to no such terms. We have not signed similar agreements with respect to cluster munitions. So if we use them, we can not be held to account.
    I haven't made up my mind about Syria, so I might ask questions in order to have a better understanding from different perspectives to have a more informed opinion. Sometimes I might assert a position just to see how it stands up to scrutiny and opposing opinions. But really, my opinion on Syria is not written in stone and I reserve the right to change my mind as I learn and gain more information. I pretty much know most the reasons for not striking Syria, but didn't really know the reasons to strike. So thank you SBu for providing a reasoned and civil discussion and while we may not always agree, I look forward to having many more with you.


    Can a country that hasn't signed the chemical warfare agreement still be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity? If so, then why can't and why shouldn't the signed countries intervene when they are used? Where is the teeth in such agreement if the nations that signed do nothing?

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah because we should be in a hurry to attack another country and throw the region into chaos, like Bush did..

    Bottomline: Obama smart/Bush dumb.
    Smart people don't draw lines in the sand, draw more lines in the sand, tell the world we're going to attack then realize they screwed up and look to congress to save the day for them.

    No. Obama is anything but smart.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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