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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Two reports in recent days have suggested that establishment-backed Syrian “rebel” forces trained and led by American, Israeli, and Jordanian commanders entered Syria and began pushing toward the capital city of Damascus this month. According to sources cited in the international reports, the foreign-led opposition fighters began the latest offensive in mid-August, prior to the reported chemical-weapon attack in the Ghouta region of Syria widely said to have claimed hundreds of civilian lives so far.

    Sources seeking to blame the Bashar al-Assad regime for the August 21 massacre have seized on the reports to claim that the dictator, despite repeated vows not to use weapons of mass destruction absent a foreign invasion, resorted to such desperate measures to beat back the latest offensive. Those suggesting the attack was a so-called “false-flag operation” perpetrated by opposition fighters to blame on the regime, meanwhile, have pointed to the news as yet another indicator that the rebels were indeed responsible for deploying the chemical weapons.

    According to a report dated August 21 by DEBKAfile, an Israeli intelligence and analysis service, the first contingent of 250 foreign-trained “rebel” fighters entered Syria from Jordan on August 17 under foreign command. The opposition fighters were trained in “special operations tactics” by U.S. and Jordanian instructors and armed with Russian-made weapons supplied by the Obama administration and the Islamist rulers of Saudi Arabia, the report continued. “They are fighting under U.S. and Jordanian commanders based in the Hashemite Kingdom,” DEBKAfile reported referring to Jordan, adding that additional rebel fighters were standing by ready to be deployed.

    Reports: U.S.-led Rebels Sent into Syria Before Chemical Attack
    Interesting article. Certainly there has been a strong effort to unify the rebel leaders by the U.S. and its allies, and I'm certain intel officers are in nation in huge numbers, but the notion of them being equivalent of military officers seems unlikely. And the notion that the U.S. would aid in the orchestration of a false flag attack of this sort seems to be stretching it. But, without further details, who can say?
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Can anybody even agree upon what "limited strike" means. General Eisenhower said that when hostilities begin, all plans go out the window.
    A 'limited strike' is to signal a show of farce. Best of the Web Today: Show of Farce - WSJ.com

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Drawing more lines in the sand. LOL. 5th grade stuff and he's the President.

    He's turned us into the laughing stock of the world.
    Americans certainly didn't need any help from Obama for being a laughing stock around the world...

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by polisciguy View Post
    Interesting article. Certainly there has been a strong effort to unify the rebel leaders by the U.S. and its allies, and I'm certain intel officers are in nation in huge numbers, but the notion of them being equivalent of military officers seems unlikely. And the notion that the U.S. would aid in the orchestration of a false flag attack of this sort seems to be stretching it. But, without further details, who can say?
    I hope you don't excuse the US on the premonition that there isn't precedence of false flag operations to start conflicts in times past.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Drawing more lines in the sand. LOL. 5th grade stuff and he's the President.

    He's turned us into the laughing stock of the world.
    Yeah because we should be in a hurry to attack another country and throw the region into chaos, like Bush did..

    Bottomline: Obama smart/Bush dumb.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I hope you don't excuse the US on the premonition that there isn't precedence of false flag operations to start conflicts in times past.
    Certainly not. Just that, as a former intelligence officer, this, at least with the given information, doesn't seem like a scenario where we would use a false flag.
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by polisciguy View Post
    Certainly not. Just that, as a former intelligence officer, this, at least with the given information, doesn't seem like a scenario where we would use a false flag.

    Ok I understand and it may not be. If so we won't learn about it for sometime. But chemical weaponry was used in some fashion and there is absolutely no logic to it having been the syrian government. But given the long term US foreign policy goal regarding Syria, there's clear motive and the Islamic extremists we are working with there, well of course they have motive to stage an attack and hope it could be pinned on the Syrian government. And look, you know China and Russia have repeatedly stressed to their Syrian ally that under NO circumstances can they target civilians or ever pull out chemical weapons because it would undermine their support. So, there just is no place for logic in an Assad chemical attack on anyone.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    What does this have to do with the topic? We should feel sorry for the President who sought out the job?
    It has everything to do with the topic. I have asserted that Obama is war-weary, and people are denying it merely because they want to attack Obama at a time when culturally our media and citizens would attack any POTUS.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah because we should be in a hurry to attack another country and throw the region into chaos, like Bush did..
    I do not believe the actions of USA are throwing islam into chaos. The sects of the religion hate each other, the Koran has some rather disturbing instructions in it, and the founder did things that in this day and age are considered beyond perverse (marrying a six year old and consummating the marriage when the child became age eight). Islam needs to work out it's issues in order to survive in the 21st century; but I do not think what USA is doing in any way alters the religion.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I do not believe the actions of USA are throwing islam into chaos. The sects of the religion hate each other, the Koran has some rather disturbing instructions in it, and the founder did things that in this day and age are considered beyond perverse (marrying a six year old and consummating the marriage when the child became age eight). Islam needs to work out it's issues in order to survive in the 21st century; but I do not think what USA is doing in any way alters the religion.
    Other than we actually may be arrogant enough to believe that we can alter the religion.
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