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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Not so sure that Assad's government crumbling is even in our best interest. We are told by our media day in and day out that Assad is a thug and commits atrocities, which is probably true. However, Russian tv shows the atrocities of the rebels. Truth is, atrocities are committed by both sides and both sides are courting support and have an interest in hiding their respective atrocities.

    I don't quite think that WWIII is on the horizon, but I do think that Iran could attack Israel indirectly through Hezbollah or Syria if they calculate that we are unwilling to step in. And we've pretty much told them that.

    Either way, we have to ask ourselves if we are willing to accept the possibility if it's realistic...and that's a decision the president must make.
    WWIII may be an overstatement, though I've heard WWI invoked a lot (and if it's a repeat of that, wouldn't that be WWIII?). The risk of Al Qaeda gaining influence in Assad's fall is possible, and has been invoked as a reason to steer clear of this whole debacle by a lot of smart people, but I have to give the Syrians some credit. They didn't like putting up with Assad's brutality, and I don't think they'd put up with Al Qaeda's. Even in Iraq and Libya Al Qaeda overplayed their hand.

    The biggest threat to the world is if Al Qaeda gets their hands on those chemical weapons. That's why the best solution would be to force a negotiated peace, keeping them out of the picture.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    WWIII may be an overstatement, though I've heard WWI invoked a lot (and if it's a repeat of that, wouldn't that be WWIII?). The risk of Al Qaeda gaining influence in Assad's fall is possible, and has been invoked as a reason to steer clear of this whole debacle by a lot of smart people, but I have to give the Syrians some credit. They didn't like putting up with Assad's brutality, and I don't think they'd put up with Al Qaeda's. Even in Iraq and Libya Al Qaeda overplayed their hand.

    The biggest threat to the world is if Al Qaeda gets their hands on those chemical weapons. That's why the best solution would be to force a negotiated peace, keeping them out of the picture.
    So, your position is what exactly? I guess because I only see two possible positions. Strike or not strike. I think we are far passed a negotiated settlement.
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    So, your position is what exactly? I guess because I only see two possible positions. Strike or not strike. I think we are far passed a negotiated settlement.
    I think it's possible to leverage a negotiated peace only when Assad is convinced he can't win. He already seems vulnerable, otherwise he wouldn't have ordered CW strikes with the world watching. If the war starts to turn against him, he might call in the Russians to help settle the matter diplomatically. Kosovo would be the historic example.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I think it's possible to leverage a negotiated peace only when Assad is convinced he can't win. He already seems vulnerable, otherwise he wouldn't have ordered CW strikes with the world watching. If the war starts to turn against him, he might call in the Russians to help settle the matter diplomatically. Kosovo would be the historic example.
    I hope you're right. The Russians have much more to lose in this situation. Also, you haven't addressed the Iranian component. The UN likes to talk a big game, but they have an extremely poor record when it comes to negotiated peace.

    In the mean time: We should 1) not stirke 2) provide gas masks to the opposition groups that are not Al Quaeda, and 3) intensify covert ops to undermine chemical weapons usage

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I think it's possible to leverage a negotiated peace only when Assad is convinced he can't win. He already seems vulnerable, otherwise he wouldn't have ordered CW strikes with the world watching. If the war starts to turn against him, he might call in the Russians to help settle the matter diplomatically. Kosovo would be the historic example.
    There were airstrikes involved in our case. It was pressure to put the parties to the table. Of course the leaders did not sit on the table for Milloschevich was indicted for war crimes. Assad might be indicted too.
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I figure Obama's take is we have to stop this guy before he becomes the next Hitler, but at the same time he is thinking he is really tired of putting troops in harm's way. We live in a very dangerous time; and I don't envy anyone having to be POTUS these days. Obama has what - 2 years and change left? Imagine what the next POTUS has to deal with: Iran and North Korea. Who would even want that job?!?!?!
    My take is he wishes he hadn't postured so much by drawing that "red line in the sand."

    Comparing Assad to Hitler is like comparing a tribal chieftain to Genghis Khan. Hitler was a world class threat; Assad? Not so much.

    We had no business drawing any "line in the sand" in the first place. We are not the World's Policeman, and should not act like one.
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    My take is he wishes he hadn't postured so much by drawing that "red line in the sand."

    Comparing Assad to Hitler is like comparing a tribal chieftain to Genghis Khan. Hitler was a world class threat; Assad? Not so much.

    We had no business drawing any "line in the sand" in the first place. We are not the World's Policeman, and should not act like one.
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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Call me a fool then because I think it will be a limited air assault and it will be done with congressial approval. Obama isn't the only one who is war weary....the majority of the American people are too. So it will be interesting to see how congress votes.
    Can anybody even agree upon what "limited strike" means. General Eisenhower said that when hostilities begin, all plans go out the window.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Retaliation? Assad has already cyber attacked three major US news organizations. One of the attacks caused the Dow Jones to drop 140 points in a matter of minutes. The "Syrian Electronic Army" is fast becoming a serious threat to the US. It's just a matter of time before they try to attack our transportion and/or electric grid. Rolling blackouts? Imagine huge swaths of the US going without electricity for weeks in the dead of winter. That is a serious threat imo, and shouldn't be ignored or taken lightly.
    Yes of course. Can you imagine mushroom clouds over US cities, too? The attacks you reference are in retaliation of the US CIA training and arming Islamist extremist and sending them into Syria with hopes of toppling a government that the US hasn't liked for a long while now. Why is it so difficult for people to make the obvious conclusion that US foreign policy in the ME is provocative at best.

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    'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Retaliation?
    Yes, we drop some bombs; he shoots a few rockets at one of those ships nearby... Or the Alquaida allies use one of those heat-seekers they got in Benghazi and suddenly there's justification for escalation.

    Assad has already cyber attacked three major US news organizations. One of the attacks caused the Dow Jones to drop 140 points in a matter of minutes.
    Really? You do know that a good hacker on the Internet can be anyone from anywhere; and could even spoof the ip addresses...

    The "Syrian Electronic Army" is fast becoming a serious threat to the US. It's just a matter of time before they try to attack our transportion and/or electric grid. Rolling blackouts? Imagine huge swaths of the US going without electricity for weeks in the dead of winter. That is a serious threat imo, and shouldn't be ignored or taken lightly.
    You actually believe this??

    Infrastructure is not hooked into any Internet, the equipment might be networked with other similar equipment in a system, but not hooked into any Internet for just this reason. The ONLY WAY to "hack" infrastructure and systems like this is to have physical access to the equipment.

    Don't let anyone tell you different... It's just not true.

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