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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    What's the "justified" reason we'd be in Syria? Is it because Al-Qaeda doesn't have enough power or is it because Syria has WMD and will strike the U.S. at any moment? Is it because our debt isn't high enough?
    At least more justified than Iraq. We invaded Iraq to punish Saddam for having non-existent weapons. With that objective, isn't it even more justified to punish a dictator for weapons he actually DOES have?

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

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    At least more justified than Iraq. We invaded Iraq to punish Saddam for having non-existent weapons. With that objective, isn't it even more justified to punish a dictator for weapons he actually DOES have?
    I guess if you believe that two wrongs make a right. What we should have done before Iraq is what we're doing now...thinking about the consequences of our actions. Unfortunately the president doesn't have a proactive strategy. We're stuck reacting and stumbling.

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    'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    At least more justified than Iraq. We invaded Iraq to punish Saddam for having non-existent weapons. With that objective, isn't it even more justified to punish a dictator for weapons he actually DOES have?
    Yes, especially when the standard of proof is : chemical weapons were used therefore Assad is guilty.

    To the op; Obama is not war-weary, or he would pull out the troops from some places.

    As a general note; anyone who thinks this will be a limited air assault is a fool.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

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    Yes, especially when the standard of proof is : chemical weapons were used therefore Assad is guilty.

    To the op; Obama is not war-weary, or he would pull out the troops from some places.

    As a general note; anyone who thinks this will be a limited air assault is a fool.
    Call me a fool then because I think it will be a limited air assault and it will be done with congressial approval. Obama isn't the only one who is war weary....the majority of the American people are too. So it will be interesting to see how congress votes.

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    'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

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    Call me a fool then because I think it will be a limited air assault and it will be done with congressial approval. Obama isn't the only one who is war weary....the majority of the American people are too. So it will be interesting to see how congress votes.
    So, Assad is just going to sit back and let the us attack his infrastructure without launching some form of retaliation??

    That retaliation then gets used as justification for escalation. There's too much money to be made by having to restock used and destroyed weapon systems.

    Edit: yes, most people are war weary, but Obama, if he were truly war weary would just declare that he's not going to get involved... And it's not the people that will decide, it's much more wealthy and influential interests that want this war.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    People are forgetting something that's been mentioned already. If Obama wanted a limited strike he already has that authority. If the Congress grants him authority, even if he claims it's only for a limited strike, he then has Congressional approval to have an expansive military war. So after the U.S. strikes, Iran and Russia will just remain silent? Ok then.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Call me a fool then because I think it will be a limited air assault and it will be done with congressial approval. Obama isn't the only one who is war weary....the majority of the American people are too. So it will be interesting to see how congress votes.
    I think Congress will not authorize it. Obama doesn't have a strategy and the bad that can happen far outweighs the good. Most Americans have no cause to be war weary...maybe weary of talking about it or tired of seeing it on the news. Obama at least has cause to be weary of war, or at least weary of dealing with it.

    Limited air strike is the worst thing we could do. It highlights our lack of conviction. The president basically said as much by admitting his war weariness. If we strike, our adversaries in the region will correctly diagnose it as a weak response to save face. They, in turn, will escalate. What do we do then? Lose more credibility?

    We have only two options: 1) go in with overwhelming force to secure chem weapons (or achieve some other quantifiable objective), or 2) stay out completely

    I vote 2, because we're not sure who are the good guys vice the bad guys in this. Likely both sides are both.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Russia already seems to be distancing itself from Syria, they've encouraged their citizens living there to leave and have not threatened retaliation against western aggression. Iran might do something, or Hezbollah or Syria against Israel. That's the nightmare scenario. Hopefully they just take a missile strike as a slap on the wrist, promise not to use CW again, and continue with the war without it spreading into the region.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    People are forgetting something that's been mentioned already. If Obama wanted a limited strike he already has that authority. If the Congress grants him authority, even if he claims it's only for a limited strike, he then has Congressional approval to have an expansive military war. So after the U.S. strikes, Iran and Russia will just remain silent? Ok then.
    Exactly! Why are we crawling to a powder keg? We should have either ran to it and blew out the fuse, or ran in the other direction.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    So, Assad is just going to sit back and let the us attack his infrastructure without launching some form of retaliation??

    That retaliation then gets used as justification for escalation. There's too much money to be made by having to restock used and destroyed weapon systems.

    Edit: yes, most people are war weary, but Obama, if he were truly war weary would just declare that he's not going to get involved... And it's not the people that will decide, it's much more wealthy and influential interests that want this war.
    Retaliation? Assad has already cyber attacked three major US news organizations. One of the attacks caused the Dow Jones to drop 140 points in a matter of minutes. The "Syrian Electronic Army" is fast becoming a serious threat to the US. It's just a matter of time before they try to attack our transportion and/or electric grid. Rolling blackouts? Imagine huge swaths of the US going without electricity for weeks in the dead of winter. That is a serious threat imo, and shouldn't be ignored or taken lightly.

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