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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    BTW: Does anyone miss G.W. Bush yet ? When Bush left the White House the Middle East wasn't a complete basket case as it is today and Al Qaeda wasn't on the run all over the Middle East and North Africa. Al Qaeda was pretty much confined to Yaman and the Horn of Africa back in 2008.
    Oh I think that both Presidents did what they could to stop Al-Qaeda's malignancy, but I seriously believe that Al-Qaeda were more widespread than the way you have them in that corral.

    September 11, 2001, attacks

    Main article: September 11 attacks
    The most destructive act ascribed to al-Qaeda was the series of attacks in the United States on September 11, 2001. These attacks destroyed the World Trade Center, damaged the Pentagon and crashed another plane in a series of suicide hijacking of airplanes. Osama bin Laden had denied his involvement in the attack,[10] but in 2004 admitted he was responsible.
    April 2002 Ghriba bombing

    Main article: Ghriba synagogue bombing
    On April 11, 2002, a natural gas truck fitted with explosives drove past security barriers at the ancient Ghriba Synagogue on the Tunisian island of Djerba. The truck detonated at the front of the synagogue, killing 14 German tourists, three Tunisians, and two French nationals. More than 30 others were wounded. Al Qaeda later claimed responsibility for the attack.[11]
    October 2002 Limburg bombing

    The 2002 Limburg bombing occurred on 6 October, 2002. The Limburg was carrying 397,000 barrels (63,100 m3) of crude oil from Iran to Malaysia, and was in the Gulf of Aden off Yemen to pick up another load of oil. It was registered under a French-flag and had been chartered by the Malaysian petrol firm Petronas. While it was some distance offshore, an explosives-laden dinghy rammed the starboard side of the tanker and detonated. The vessel caught on fire and approximately 90,000 barrels (14,000 m3) of oil leaked into the Gulf of Aden. Although Yemeni officials initially claimed that the explosion was caused by an accident, later investigations found traces of TNT on the damaged ship. One crew member, a 38 year-old Bulgarian named Atanas Atanasov, was killed, and 12 other crew members were injured. [12]
    October 2002 Bali bombings

    Main article: 2002 Bali bombings
    The 2002 Bali bombings occurred on 12 October 2002 in the tourist district.
    November 2002 Mombasa attacks

    Main article: 2002 Mombasa attacks
    The 2002 Mombasa attacks occurred on 28 November 2002 in Kenya. Al Qaeda later claimed responsibility for the attacks.[13]
    May 2003 Riyadh bombing

    Main article: Riyadh compound bombings
    The 2003 Riyadh compound bombings occurred on 12 May 2003, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 36 people were killed, and over 160 wounded.
    May 2003 Casablanca bombings

    Main article: 2003 Casablanca bombings
    The 2003 Casablanca bombings occurred on May 16, 2003 in Casablanca, Morocco. 45 people were killed as a result of these attacks (12 suicide-bombers and 33 victims).
    August 2003 Jakarta bombing

    Main article: 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing
    The 2003 Jakarta bombing occurred on August 5, 2003 in Jakarta, Indonesia. A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb outside the lobby of the JW Marriott Hotel, killing twelve people and injuring 150. Those killed were mostly Indonesian, with the exception of one Dutch.
    November 2003 Istanbul attacks

    Main article: 2003 Istanbul bombings
    The 2003 Istanbul bombings were four truck bomb attacks carried out on November 15, 2003 and November 20, 2003, in Istanbul, Turkey, leaving 67 people dead, and 700 wounded. Several men have been convicted for their involvement.
    March 2004 Madrid attacks

    Main article: 2004 Madrid train bombings
    The March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings was an Islamist terrorist attack in Madrid (Spain) that killed 191 people and wounded more than 2,000. The terror cell had links to Al Qaeda. It was the worst Islamist attack in European history.[14][15]
    May 2004 Khobar massacre

    Al-Qaeda is believed to have been responsible for the 2004 Khobar massacre, carried out on May 29, 2004.[16]
    July 7, 2005 London transport bombings

    Main article: 7 July 2005 London bombings
    Four members of Al-Qaeda, three of British Pakistani descent and one of British Jamaican descent attacked London's public transport on July 7, 2005. Three bombs were detonated on the London Underground and one on a double decker bus. The attacks took place between 8.50 am and 9.47 am. 56 people died during the attacks (including 4 terrorists) and around 700 were injured. The attack occurred the day after the city was selected to host the 2012 Summer Olympics.
    June 2, 2008 Danish-embassy bombing

    Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the bombing of the Danish embassy in Pakistan on June 2, 2008. A car bomb killed six people and injured several.[17] Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, a high-ranking member of Al-Qaeda, issued a statement after the bombing, claiming that the attack was a response to the 2005 publication of the Muhammed Cartoons.[18]
    July 13, 2008 Battle of Wanat

    The Battle of Wanat occurred on July 13, 2008, when forces including Al-Qaeda and Taliban guerrillas attacked NATO troops near the village of Wanat in the Waygal district in Afghanistan's far eastern province of Nuristan. The Battle of Wanat has been described as the "Black Hawk Down" of the War in Afghanistan, as one of the bloodiest attacks of the war and one of several attacks on remote outposts.[8] In contrast to previous roadside bombs and haphazard attacks and ambushes, this attack was well coordinated with fighters from many insurgent and terrorist groups with an effort that was disciplined and sustained which was able to target key assets such as the TOW launcher with precision.
    September 20, 2008 Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing

    Al-Qaeda is believed to have been responsible for the bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Pakistan on September 20, 2008. A truck bomb killed 54 people and injured 266 people.[19]

    Dec 30, 2009

    An Al-Qaeda agent posing as a double agent killed 7 CIA officers in the Camp Chapman attack on December 30, 2009. The Jordanian man, thought to be an American asset penetrating Al-Qaeda was brought in the wire of the camp and detonated an explosive belt, killing 7 CIA, 1 Jordanian intelligence officer, and seriously wounding six others.[25]


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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response - CNN.com



    Thoughts? Questions? Invitations to dinner?[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Sort of sounds like the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. Limited action which 99% of congress thought was going to be just one retalitory attack.

    Now why is the use of chemical weapons deserves some form of U.S. response. I know Obama wasn't president when the Pathet Lao government and the North Vietnamese used both chemical and biological weapons on the Hmong tribe in Laos trying to wipe them clean off the earth. Then there was Saddams use of chemical weapons on the Iranians during the Iraq/Iran war and we were providing Saddam all sorts of good Intel on what the Iranians were doing.

    Oh well. Live goes on until it doesn't.
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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    BTW: Does anyone miss G.W. Bush yet ? When Bush left the White House the Middle East wasn't a complete basket case as it is today and Al Qaeda wasn't on the run all over the Middle East and North Africa. Al Qaeda was pretty much confined to Yaman and the Horn of Africa back in 2008.
    Oh yeah, plenty of people miss Bush. Haven't you seen the polls saying his approval numbers have risen since he left office? That is because:

    a) He's much more likable when he's NOT in power, much more like the goofy uncle who nicknames you "Turd Blossom" and paints self-portaits of himself in the shower, but is essentially harmless, and

    b) Most people have the memory of a goldfish. The middle east was ABSOLUTELY worse off the day he left office then it was the day he was sworn in. For one, Iraq and Iran balanced each other out in the region; as long as both were standing their influence in the region was blunted either way. The invasion of Iraq and it's takeover by Shiites allowed it to become a satellite state of Iran, allowing it to reach further into the Arab states. Iraq has allowed shipments of arms from Iran to fly into Syria!! The sectarian war that arose in Iraq under Bush's watch exists to this day, and is becoming a model for sectarian strife elsewhere.

    Like Colin Powell said, Bush broke the Pottery Barn rule.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Oh I think that both Presidents did what they could to stop Al-Qaeda's malignancy, but I seriously believe that Al-Qaeda were more widespread than the way you have them in that corral.

    September 11, 2001, attacks

    Main article: September 11 attacks
    The most destructive act ascribed to al-Qaeda was the series of attacks in the United States on September 11, 2001. These attacks destroyed the World Trade Center, damaged the Pentagon and crashed another plane in a series of suicide hijacking of airplanes. Osama bin Laden had denied his involvement in the attack,[10] but in 2004 admitted he was responsible.
    April 2002 Ghriba bombing

    Main article: Ghriba synagogue bombing
    On April 11, 2002, a natural gas truck fitted with explosives drove past security barriers at the ancient Ghriba Synagogue on the Tunisian island of Djerba. The truck detonated at the front of the synagogue, killing 14 German tourists, three Tunisians, and two French nationals. More than 30 others were wounded. Al Qaeda later claimed responsibility for the attack.[11]
    October 2002 Limburg bombing

    The 2002 Limburg bombing occurred on 6 October, 2002. The Limburg was carrying 397,000 barrels (63,100 m3) of crude oil from Iran to Malaysia, and was in the Gulf of Aden off Yemen to pick up another load of oil. It was registered under a French-flag and had been chartered by the Malaysian petrol firm Petronas. While it was some distance offshore, an explosives-laden dinghy rammed the starboard side of the tanker and detonated. The vessel caught on fire and approximately 90,000 barrels (14,000 m3) of oil leaked into the Gulf of Aden. Although Yemeni officials initially claimed that the explosion was caused by an accident, later investigations found traces of TNT on the damaged ship. One crew member, a 38 year-old Bulgarian named Atanas Atanasov, was killed, and 12 other crew members were injured. [12]
    October 2002 Bali bombings

    Main article: 2002 Bali bombings
    The 2002 Bali bombings occurred on 12 October 2002 in the tourist district.
    November 2002 Mombasa attacks

    Main article: 2002 Mombasa attacks
    The 2002 Mombasa attacks occurred on 28 November 2002 in Kenya. Al Qaeda later claimed responsibility for the attacks.[13]
    May 2003 Riyadh bombing

    Main article: Riyadh compound bombings
    The 2003 Riyadh compound bombings occurred on 12 May 2003, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 36 people were killed, and over 160 wounded.
    May 2003 Casablanca bombings

    Main article: 2003 Casablanca bombings
    The 2003 Casablanca bombings occurred on May 16, 2003 in Casablanca, Morocco. 45 people were killed as a result of these attacks (12 suicide-bombers and 33 victims).
    August 2003 Jakarta bombing

    Main article: 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing
    The 2003 Jakarta bombing occurred on August 5, 2003 in Jakarta, Indonesia. A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb outside the lobby of the JW Marriott Hotel, killing twelve people and injuring 150. Those killed were mostly Indonesian, with the exception of one Dutch.
    November 2003 Istanbul attacks

    Main article: 2003 Istanbul bombings
    The 2003 Istanbul bombings were four truck bomb attacks carried out on November 15, 2003 and November 20, 2003, in Istanbul, Turkey, leaving 67 people dead, and 700 wounded. Several men have been convicted for their involvement.
    March 2004 Madrid attacks

    Main article: 2004 Madrid train bombings
    The March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings was an Islamist terrorist attack in Madrid (Spain) that killed 191 people and wounded more than 2,000. The terror cell had links to Al Qaeda. It was the worst Islamist attack in European history.[14][15]
    May 2004 Khobar massacre

    Al-Qaeda is believed to have been responsible for the 2004 Khobar massacre, carried out on May 29, 2004.[16]
    July 7, 2005 London transport bombings

    Main article: 7 July 2005 London bombings
    Four members of Al-Qaeda, three of British Pakistani descent and one of British Jamaican descent attacked London's public transport on July 7, 2005. Three bombs were detonated on the London Underground and one on a double decker bus. The attacks took place between 8.50 am and 9.47 am. 56 people died during the attacks (including 4 terrorists) and around 700 were injured. The attack occurred the day after the city was selected to host the 2012 Summer Olympics.
    June 2, 2008 Danish-embassy bombing

    Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the bombing of the Danish embassy in Pakistan on June 2, 2008. A car bomb killed six people and injured several.[17] Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, a high-ranking member of Al-Qaeda, issued a statement after the bombing, claiming that the attack was a response to the 2005 publication of the Muhammed Cartoons.[18]
    July 13, 2008 Battle of Wanat

    The Battle of Wanat occurred on July 13, 2008, when forces including Al-Qaeda and Taliban guerrillas attacked NATO troops near the village of Wanat in the Waygal district in Afghanistan's far eastern province of Nuristan. The Battle of Wanat has been described as the "Black Hawk Down" of the War in Afghanistan, as one of the bloodiest attacks of the war and one of several attacks on remote outposts.[8] In contrast to previous roadside bombs and haphazard attacks and ambushes, this attack was well coordinated with fighters from many insurgent and terrorist groups with an effort that was disciplined and sustained which was able to target key assets such as the TOW launcher with precision.
    September 20, 2008 Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing

    Al-Qaeda is believed to have been responsible for the bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Pakistan on September 20, 2008. A truck bomb killed 54 people and injured 266 people.[19]

    Dec 30, 2009

    An Al-Qaeda agent posing as a double agent killed 7 CIA officers in the Camp Chapman attack on December 30, 2009. The Jordanian man, thought to be an American asset penetrating Al-Qaeda was brought in the wire of the camp and detonated an explosive belt, killing 7 CIA, 1 Jordanian intelligence officer, and seriously wounding six others.[25]


    You didn't mention the Al Qaeda attack at Fort Hood.

    The Al Qaeda attack at the U.S. military recruiting station in Hope Arkansas.

    Lets not forget the underwear bomber. Fortuantly even though the Al Qaeda terrorist was able to ignite the fuse, the kicker charge failed to set off the main charge.

    All threee can be linked back to Yaman.

    We'll give Obama a complete pass on the Boston Marathon terrorist bombings because they may have been Islamist terrorist they didn't have connections to Al Qaeda.

    All of these happened on U.S. soil under Obama's watch.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I have yet to hear any explanation of what vital American interests are at stake in Syria that would warrant an act of war. Radical Islamists vs. Murderous Dictator, both our foes. Seems to me what we should be dropping is bread/humanitarian aid not bombs in countries like Turkey and Jordon where thousands of refugees have fled and are living in tent cities. We seem to have a fairly decent relationship with both those countries. Our relationships would be strengthened by our willingness to help in the burden that thousands of refugees can place on any country and for building relations with a people in that region who most often despise us.
    Saving Obama's face is the only "vital" interest here. Period.
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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    You didn't mention the Al Qaeda attack at Fort Hood.

    The Al Qaeda attack at the U.S. military recruiting station in Hope Arkansas.

    Lets not forget the underwear bomber. Fortuantly even though the Al Qaeda terrorist was able to ignite the fuse, the kicker charge failed to set off the main charge.

    All threee can be linked back to Yaman.

    We'll give Obama a complete pass on the Boston Marathon terrorist bombings because they may have been Islamist terrorist they didn't have connections to Al Qaeda.

    All of these happened on U.S. soil under Obama's watch.

    And you didn't mention the July 4, 2002, incident in which Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, an Egyptian immigrant, fired on an El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport, killing two.

    Or the December 2001 "shoe-bombing" incident, in which Richard Reid was foiled trying to detonate plastic explosives packed in his shoes and the March 2006 case of Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, a University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill graduate, driving an SUV onto campus, striking nine pedestrians. Both cases were reportedly motivated to one degree or another by radical Islam.

    And, it bears repeating, THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS ON THE WTC AND PENTAGON. What did Bush say to the CIA after they flew to his ranch on his vacation to brief him on the threat on August 6, 2001?

    "All right, you've covered your ass now." (Ron Suskind, George W. Bush and the Aug. 6, 2001, PDB - Salon.com)

    So how many thousands of Americans have died on US soil under Obama's watch again?

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    You didn't mention the Al Qaeda attack at Fort Hood.

    The Al Qaeda attack at the U.S. military recruiting station in Hope Arkansas.

    Lets not forget the underwear bomber. Fortuantly even though the Al Qaeda terrorist was able to ignite the fuse, the kicker charge failed to set off the main charge.

    All threee can be linked back to Yaman.

    We'll give Obama a complete pass on the Boston Marathon terrorist bombings because they may have been Islamist terrorist they didn't have connections to Al Qaeda.

    All of these happened on U.S. soil under Obama's watch.
    Ft Hood Shooter ACTED ALONE-NO TIES TO AL QAEDA

    Arkansas man who tried to run over people had no al qaeda ties

    So despite your desperate hope that Americans are killed by members of the terrorist organization, your dream have not yet come true under the Obama administration. Stop hoping for the death of Americans ok? It's really disgusting.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Ft Hood Shooter ACTED ALONE-NO TIES TO AL QAEDA

    Arkansas man who tried to run over people had no al qaeda ties

    So despite your desperate hope that Americans are killed by members of the terrorist organization, your dream have not yet come true under the Obama administration. Stop hoping for the death of Americans ok? It's really disgusting.
    Look at my profile, do you see where my leaning is liberal ? I'm not that stupid.

    Using a link to an WSJ article published a week after the terrorist attack at Fort Hood.

    While Obama blamed it on violence in the workplace, the e-mails between Nidal Hasan and Al Qaeda member Anwar al-Awlaki were revealed to the public. Another Obama #### up.

    Re: Al Qaeda terrorist attack in Arkansas, I stand corrected it was in Little Rock not Hope.
    On June 1, 2009, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, opened fire with a rifle in on soldiers in front of a United States military recruiting office in Little Rock, Arkansas. He killed Private William Long, and wounded Private Quinton Ezeagwula.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Look at my profile, do you see where my leaning is liberal ? I'm not that stupid.

    Using a link to an WSJ article published a week after the terrorist attack at Fort Hood.

    While Obama blamed it on violence in the workplace, the e-mails between Nidal Hasan and Al Qaeda member Anwar al-Awlaki were revealed to the public. Another Obama #### up.

    Re: Al Qaeda terrorist attack in Arkansas, I stand corrected it was in Little Rock not Hope.
    On June 1, 2009, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, opened fire with a rifle in on soldiers in front of a United States military recruiting office in Little Rock, Arkansas. He killed Private William Long, and wounded Private Quinton Ezeagwula.
    Hasan, the FT. HOOD shooter, was not charged with terrorism and to this day there have not yet been any confirmed links that he was actually linked to Al-Qaeda. That's like saying I spoke to Donald Trump and therefore I'm a member of his business organizations.

    Re: the terrorist who shot up the recruiting center...I also stand corrected. He was an actual terrorist with actual connections to al-qaeda. Thank goodness he was an incompetent goon.

    According to Muhammad's letters, he began his jihad in Little Rock, doing "something" there. He drove to Nashville and threw a Molotov cocktail at the home of an orthodox rabbi, but it bounced off the target. He drove to an Army recruiting center in Florence, Kentucky, because "it was near an interstate and bordered Ohio. Easy to get away", but the center was closed. He returned to Little Rock, where he shot the soldiers at the recruiting station.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    And you didn't mention the July 4, 2002, incident in which Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, an Egyptian immigrant, fired on an El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport, killing two.

    Or the December 2001 "shoe-bombing" incident, in which Richard Reid was foiled trying to detonate plastic explosives packed in his shoes and the March 2006 case of Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, a University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill graduate, driving an SUV onto campus, striking nine pedestrians. Both cases were reportedly motivated to one degree or another by radical Islam.

    And, it bears repeating, THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS ON THE WTC AND PENTAGON. What did Bush say to the CIA after they flew to his ranch on his vacation to brief him on the threat on August 6, 2001?

    "All right, you've covered your ass now." (Ron Suskind, George W. Bush and the Aug. 6, 2001, PDB - Salon.com)

    So how many thousands of Americans have died on US soil under Obama's watch again?
    The El Al incident was carried out by a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The same Muslim Brotherhood that Barack Obama has an infatuation for. Obama's has been the best thing to happen to the Muslim Brotherhood since Hitler.

    As for Bush being warned by the CIA, how many warnings did Bush receive every morning ? Probably as many as Clinton.

    But it was President Clinton who set America's policy on how to deal with Al Qaeda. He said it was a police matter not a national security matter.

    Did President Bush spend eight years blaming Clinton's failed terrorist policies ? No.

    Do you know why Osama bin Laden decided to attack America on it's own soil and thinking they could get away with it ?

    Now if you were underage in 1993 or didn't read the newspapers or were just uninformed, maybe you can be given a pass.

    Osma bin Laden explained why he was going to attack America on it's own soil. It had to do not with President Clinton's actions but inactions. Bin Laden looked upon Clinton as being a pantywaist. Bin Laden made the mistake thinking that G.W. Bush was also a pantywaist but Bush was completely the opposite.

    Excerpt: Bin Ladens first Fatwa.

    >"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu..."<
    Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 23, 1996 | PBS

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