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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, P. Kersey.

    Yep, there is one good group...libs...and the rest are simply nasty people no one should associate with. You've got it pegged! :
    Hi ya! ( I almost said "mate") Hope you're well today.

    I should have just kept my mouth shut but my BS detector was pegged on that one.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    If you hold the same regard as your opinion of what the military labels our troops...human beings, men and women who put their life on the line...and who you say has no more value that a truck...then I suggest you volunteer yourself...inside your boots to go to Syria.

    It's too bad that you don't have any more respect for our fellow citizens and people who die for us. That is really too bad. It's more than bad, actually.
    Just because you are ofended by a term does not make it wrong.

    The fact that tropos are human beings does not enter into the decisión as to whether they are sent into a particular situation.

    They must do what needs to get done.

    As a part of the military you are part of a big machine.

    Didn't they stamp out that individualism in you, or did they fail in that?

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    We gave our verbal backing of the rebels since the beginning of the Arab spring after Assad began cracking down by force. Backing off that commitment now would be like Bush the Elder telling Iraq's people to rise up against Saddam after the Gulf War and then sitting back as they were decimated.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I support the overthrow of Assad and the instituting of a transitional democratic government beholden to the UN.

    You wanted reasons, see signature below.
    Actually, my understanding from some Syrian folks is that if Assad gets taken out that the people doing so are Al Qaeda and their intent is to replace Assad's secular government with Sharia Law. I think the only way to put in a secular democratic government would be an all out UN invasion by all of the NATO countries.

    I suspect that Obama will do some surgical strikes, that Iran and Syria will attack Israel, and that Israel and USA will respond with an attack roughly the size of Operation Desert Storm. And not to sound all "Area 51 black helicopter", but is it possible that Obama knows this is what the end game will be and this is something that Obama and the Pentagon already are thinking they want?

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    "Obama weary" world begs to differ.
    I am sure is is extremely weary of war. He inherited two that were in progress, and he has to be thinking he would have had a better shot at fixing the economy if that money wasn't spent on war. I read that by the time Afghanistan and Iraq are done and we finish paying off the creditors, that by 2030 the total cost of those two wars will be somewhere around $4 trillion to $8 trillion. The two studies that came up with that were Harvard University and Brown University so who really knows - but the logic behind those numbers sounded feasible to me. If we take the median and say $6 trillion - I have to assume $6 trillion would have made Obamacare a non-issue financiallly and also would have been a nice start at paying down the national debt and injecting cash back into Social Security.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Actually, my understanding from some Syrian folks is that if Assad gets taken out that the people doing so are Al Qaeda and their intent is to replace Assad's secular government with Sharia Law. I think the only way to put in a secular democratic government would be an all out UN invasion by all of the NATO countries.
    I don't see occupation required. We have two options:

    1. Cripple Assad to the point the Russians allow Assad to be overthrown (with a guarantee of their port, ships remain). A transitional democratic government emerges with the support of the UN, schools and roads instead of bombs, development.
    2. Destroy the chem sites and the S300s. The people are crushed, dictatorship continues. Sorry, Syrians, maybe next time.


    I suspect that Obama will do some surgical strikes, that Iran and Syria will attack Israel, and that Israel and USA will respond with an attack roughly the size of Operation Desert Storm. And not to sound all "Area 51 black helicopter", but is it possible that Obama knows this is what the end game will be and this is something that Obama and the Pentagon already are thinking they want?
    The Iranian regime would not risk making it to nukes when so close, for anyone. Assad will not be able nor allowed to strike anyone. If a transition government occurs, the Russians will be given pipeline contracts to reduce their economic (the sale of bombs for civilians) loss.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 08-31-13 at 03:47 PM.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't see occupation required. We have two options:
    1. Cripple Assad to the point the Russians allow Assad to be overthrown (with a guarantee of their port, ships remain). A transitional democratic government emerges with the support of the UN, schools and roads instead of bombs, development.
    2. Destroy the chem sites and the S300s. The people are crushed, dictatorship continues. Sorry, Syrians, maybe next time.
    1. There will be no transitional democratic government. No disrespect intended, but what fantasy world would that happen in? Guaranteed fact: If or when Assad goes, the people fighting Assad will take over (unless we did a ground invasion and took out both Assad and Al Qaeda). Al Qaeda is the one taking over since they are the ones fighting Assad right now; and they want Sharia Law and not a democratic government.
    2. This is not a UN action. This is USA and France acting alone and without UN approval. The other major players like Russia, China, UK, and Italy are not going along with the Pentagon program on this one.
    3. Do we know where the chemical sites all are? We didn't know where the WMD's were back when Saddam moved the WMD's out of Iraq and into Syria between Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom; so how do we suddenly know where they are now? And I am sure there were thousands of tons of those WMD's. Enough for Saddam to kill 80,000 Kurds and I bet Assad just did a tiny amount this time to see if they still worked after all these years. He is probably sitting on enough of Saddam's leftovers to kill hundreds of thousands more.
    4. Iran said they will attack Tel Aviv as soon as USA attacks Damascus. There no doubt would be a response to that from both USA and Israel.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    1. There will be no transitional democratic government. No disrespect intended, but what fantasy world would that happen in?
    Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt...

    Guaranteed fact: If or when Assad goes, the people fighting Assad will take over (unless we did a ground invasion and took out both Assad and Al Qaeda). Al Qaeda is the one taking over since they are the ones fighting Assad right now; and they want Sharia Law and not a democratic government.
    That's hysterical nonsense.

    2. This is not a UN action. This is USA and France acting alone and without UN approval. The other major players like Russia, China, UK, and Italy are not going along with the Pentagon program on this one.
    Maybe you'll realize that no one will go to war for Assad.

    3. Do we know where the chemical sites all are? We didn't know where the WMD's were back when Saddam moved the WMD's out of Iraq and into Syria between Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom; so how do we suddenly know where they are now? And I am sure there were thousands of tons of those WMD's.
    Chems sites are not difficult to identify. Are you saying he's been hiding stuff from inspectors?

    I think very little was moved to Assad. Assad could and has produced chems. Do you have a citation for the 'thousands of tons'.

    Enough for Saddam to kill 80,000 Kurds and I bet Assad just did a tiny amount this time to see if they still worked after all these years. He is probably sitting on enough of Saddam's leftovers to kill hundreds of thousands more.
    Saddam killed 200k Kurds, but that has nothing to do with his overstock.

    4. Iran said they will attack Tel Aviv as soon as USA attacks Damascus. There no doubt would be a response to that from both USA and Israel.
    Be real, the Iranian regime will not risk making it to nukes for Assad. Pretending that the Iranian regime would abandon all hope of becoming a nuclear power for Assad is flat-out stupid.

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    Re: "No boots on the ground in Syria," Says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Actually, my understanding from some Syrian folks is that if Assad gets taken out that the people doing so are Al Qaeda and their intent is to replace Assad's secular government with Sharia Law. I think the only way to put in a secular democratic government would be an all out UN invasion by all of the NATO countries.
    The closest analogy seems to be Yugoslavia. There is a term called "Balkanization" that refers to the fragmentation of an area into separate ethnic groups (i.e. the Balkans). Much of the sectarian strife in the Middle East as a whole can be assigned to the arbitrary borders created by the colonial powers that divided the region without respect for which areas were populated by which types of people.

    Thus we have a country that can be divided into Alawites, Sunni, Christians, and other groups. Presently they can only be held together by an authoritarian dictatorship, like Saddam did, but Assad's grip is slipping.

    What might happen is that surgical strikes will further weaken Assad's grip, maybe not enough to tilt the field against him, but enough to level the odds with the opposition. If that stalemate of power subsists for some time, it may convince Assad to try and reach a negotiate settlement, with Russia and Iran backing him and the West and other Arab nations backing the rebels. In that case, hostilities could be ended diplomatically, either by carving up the country or by some transitional government and exile for Assad.

    The truth is no one knows, but what has been done up until now certainly hasn't worked.

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    Re: 'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    'War-weary' Obama says Syria chemical attack requires response - CNN.com



    Thoughts? Questions? Invitations to dinner?[/FONT][/COLOR]
    my first thought was.... it's incredibly arrogant for him ot say nobody ends up being more war-weary than himself.... millions of Vets who are actually waging the war are more war weary than he is

    now, if he said " nobody is more golf-weary /vacation-weary/ photo-op weary/ speech-weary than I am".. I might buy it.. but war weary?... not a chance.

    a very good "narrow , limited act" would be putting a bullet in Assads head... but we won't be going that route... we'll keep protecting enemy leaders like they are divine kings.

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