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1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov claim

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So, where's your evidence supporting this fairy tale?

mmmmkaayyy....

apdst said:
Gavlack isn't even an AP reporter. Do your homework.

poweRob said:
Associated Press reporter Dale Gavlak is reporting that Syrian rebels, armed with chemical agents from Saudi Arabia, were responsible for the August 21st Chemical weapons attack. Gavlak has also written for the BBC, Salon, and others.
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apdst said:

apdst said:

apdst said:

poweRob said:
It's ok to admit you are wrong when you are wrong you know?

apdst said:
Ok, Gavlak is an AP reporter. There! Happy?

apdst said:
See? Why was that so hard?

Reliving the dream.
 
Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

U.N. inspectors start leaving Syria; Obama meets with security team - CNN.com



US seems to have lots of evidence pointing to the Syrian Government. UN inspectors should be getting back with their findings soon.

A military strike would make it very difficult to locate and properly dispose of these chemical weapons. I would also prefer more evidence from our government than them just saying they have evidence. We did that 10 years ago, and it didn't exactly turn out well for anyone.
 
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Reliving the dream.

IOW, the only thing you really want to discuss is if Gavlak is an AP reporter? Forget about the actual topic. Right?
 
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It's irrelevant to the conversation. Ok, Gavlak is an AP reporter. There! Happy? Does that change the fact that it's a stretch to suggest that rebel infantrymen were carrying enough chemical agents on their person to kill 1400 civilians and not all the rebels, too? No, it doesn't. Individual soldiers aren't used a delivery system for nerve agents. Unless YOU can provide us with evidence to prove me wrong. We'll be anxiously waiting...

Rebel infantrymen? That's what we are calling them now??
Here is one case of Syrian rebels using chemical weapons.

You can deliver nerve agents (any chemical weapon) by mortar or artillery round. How do you think they were used in WW1?
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Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

IOW, the only thing you really want to discuss is if Gavlak is an AP reporter? Forget about the actual topic. Right?

Your the one that made the silly comment, now admit that he works for AP, and you can get along with the business at hand.
 
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Your the one that made the silly comment, now admit that he works for AP, and you can get along with the business at hand.

I've BEEN getting along with the business at hand. You're one of the ones that wants to make a brew-ha-ha about who this gal works for.
 
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you were wrong. was just correcting the record. didn't know it'd bother you so muc

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IOW, the only thing you really want to discuss is if Gavlak is an AP reporter? Forget about the actual topic. Right?
 
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Sure you can, but that's not the story we're being told.

You can tell someone a story and still lie about it. ;)
 
Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

you were wrong. was just correcting the record. didn't know it'd bother you so muc

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Ok, whatever dude! Grow up and let it go! You got one right, for a change. Big win for you!...LOL!!!
 
Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

Ok, whatever dude! Grow up and let it go! You got one right, for a change. Big win for you!...LOL!!!

Like I said, didn't know it'd bother you so much.
 
Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

Like I said, didn't know it'd bother you so much.

It either bothered the hell out of you, or you don't have a clue about the topic, because you sure as hell weren't letting it go...and you still aren't.
 
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It either bothered the hell out of you, or you don't have a clue about the topic, because you sure as hell weren't letting it go...and you still aren't.

I gave you my input on the topic and you seem to be ignoring it. Opting instead to bellyache about how it was so difficult to admit you got something wrong.
 
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Yep. I agree. If we are going to take action against Assad for deployment of chemical weapons, we better be very sure that actually happened, given the fact that it's hard to believe he had any reason to use them (he's winning the civil war - more or less - with conventional weapons) and given the fact that only the opposition would seem to benefit from it in terms of international support.

I don't expect psychopathic dictators to behave rationally. Why would he continue to bomb civilians indiscriminately if he's already "winning" (and I'd disagree with you on this, but that's another issue). As far as circumstantial evidence goes, I find it odd that Assad waited five days before letting UN inspectors in, and in the meanwhile shelling the area in which the chems were used so as to remove all evidence. If I were Assad and the rebels had used the chems, I'd personally escort the inspectors to the site to consolidate such a huge diplomatic victory over the rebels.
 
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Because Clinton was president in the 1990s and wasn't an idiotic boob like Bush.

Clinton attacked more countries than both Bushs and Obama combined.
 
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#6 The United States is just as guilty for that "genocide" you speak of. We assisted them and turned a blind eye when they did it under Reagan. When they did it under Bush Sr. it was because we encouraged the people to "rise up" and then left them hanging. We knew what would happen when we left them.
Would you have us bomb ourselves?
We aren't "just as guilty." Even the dirtbag Kissinger acknowledged that it would be better for us if both sides lost; our goal was to get as close to that as possible, even though we saw Iraq as the lesser evil. We shouldn't have supported Saddam in the 80s, but that was then, this is now. Our current foreign policy makers cannot be held accountable for the actions of their predecessors.
#7 The "genocide" was not even genocide. It was the slaughter of people in one small area. Millions of them still exist. There was never any attempt to wipe them out. The correct term is "mass murder".

The Hague would disagree with you on that:

BBC NEWS | Europe | Killing of Iraq Kurds 'genocide'
 
Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

So the proposed response is to send in missiles that will probably kill more civilians than the chemical attacks?

Dumb.

We don't know what scale and scope of an attack in relation to Military Action is even being discussed. Will chemical weapons facilities be targeted directly? Will artillery and rocket systems, aircraft, missile production facilities be targeted? All questions we simply do not know the answer to.

In relation to chemical weapon facilities, it should depend on where the weapons are stored and how close they are to civillian population. One would hope that this is something that is being taken into into consideration.
 
Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

We don't know what scale and scope of an attack in relation to Military Action is even being discussed. Will chemical weapons facilities be targeted directly? Will artillery and rocket systems, aircraft, missile production facilities be targeted? All questions we simply do not know the answer to. In relation to chemical weapon facilities, it should depend on where the weapons are stored and how close they are to civillian population. One would hope that this is something that is being taken into into consideration.
The options for striking Assad's chemical weapons complex are not very good. There are around a dozen facilities where the chemicals are formulated and weaponized, and probably around fifty storage depots. All of these facilities have been situated in populated areas to complicate destruction from above. Securing these facilities is even more daunting and would require ~80,000 boots on the ground plus support personnel in the midst of a civil war in which every warring faction would seek to overrun the compounds and steal the WMDs.

In light of the above, I imagine that a US strike scenario would be limited to destroying conventional military assets (i.e. airfields, motor pools, etc.). The aim here is to send a strong message, but not militarily decapitate the SA.
 
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A military strike would make it very difficult to locate and properly dispose of these chemical weapons. I would also prefer more evidence from our government than them just saying they have evidence. We did that 10 years ago, and it didn't exactly turn out well for anyone.

Meaning Iraq? Yeah - we didn't exactly find WMD's once we got in there. But the thing is - we gave that psycho a decade between Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom. Bad mistake. I'm sure Saddam shipped a lot of things to his buddy Assad. I will say this - Saddam didn't kill 80,000 Kurds with love and chocolate.
 
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So the proposed response is to send in missiles that will probably kill more civilians than the chemical attacks?

As we speak, Assad is creating human shields. Do we never bomb bad guys ever again because the concept was created by muslim terrorists that used humans as meat shields when they attacked the IDF? Assad is gassing folks. And before that, my understanding is 100K people were killed with conventional weapons. I am not in love with any dog in that hunt (Assad, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc.); but is it cool for USA to just completely blow this off no matter how many die? I'm paraphrasing and will probably not get this right - but I think it was Stalin that said something like "10 dead people is a tragedy but a million dead is just a statistic". When do we finally whack Assad for the good of humanity?
 
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Meaning Iraq? Yeah - we didn't exactly find WMD's once we got in there. But the thing is - we gave that psycho a decade between Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom. Bad mistake. I'm sure Saddam shipped a lot of things to his buddy Assad. I will say this - Saddam didn't kill 80,000 Kurds with love and chocolate.
He killed them with VX, Sarin, and mustard gas, which is a war crime that should have been dealt with through the UN. **** like that is why the UN exists.
 
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He killed them with VX, Sarin, and mustard gas, which is a war crime that should have been dealt with through the UN. **** like that is why the UN exists.

Odds are then that after Desert Storm, Saddam sent it all to Syria. Now Assad is testing the stuff to see how well it still works. UN is smoke and mirrors. Anytime the UN wants something handled, it ends up being USA troops. UN: 200 tick countries sucking the blood out of USA taxpayers. I say kick it out of NYC, stop giving it money, and USA handles things directly with her allies. In this case however (Syria), I don't like any of the dogs in the hunt. Either let them work their own stuff out amongst themselves or let Israel take care of business. Actually from what I hear (I have a brother in the IDF) Israel would prefer to just keep Assad. The enemy you know is often better than the enemy you don't know.
 
Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

We don't know what scale and scope of an attack in relation to Military Action is even being discussed. Will chemical weapons facilities be targeted directly? Will artillery and rocket systems, aircraft, missile production facilities be targeted? All questions we simply do not know the answer to.

In relation to chemical weapon facilities, it should depend on where the weapons are stored and how close they are to civillian population. One would hope that this is something that is being taken into into consideration.

Reports have already said he has moved much of the military into civilian areas. We will kill more civilians than he did. Period.
 
Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

As we speak, Assad is creating human shields. Do we never bomb bad guys ever again because the concept was created by muslim terrorists that used humans as meat shields when they attacked the IDF? Assad is gassing folks. And before that, my understanding is 100K people were killed with conventional weapons. I am not in love with any dog in that hunt (Assad, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc.); but is it cool for USA to just completely blow this off no matter how many die? I'm paraphrasing and will probably not get this right - but I think it was Stalin that said something like "10 dead people is a tragedy but a million dead is just a statistic". When do we finally whack Assad for the good of humanity?

It is not our job to spend our money and send our people out to die, in order to police the whole damn world.
 
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