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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Then why weren't we invading Damascus in the 90s?

    And don't use the word "oil".
    Because Clinton was president in the 1990s and wasn't an idiotic boob like Bush.

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Then why weren't we invading Damascus in the 90s?

    And don't use the word "oil".
    Syria posed no imminent threat to critical American interests and allies.

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    My issue with this is simple.

    The rebels want the west to get involved.

    The only way that is going to happen is if Assad uses chemical weapons.

    Assad does not want the west to get involved.

    The only way that is going to happen is if he uses Chemical Weapons.

    Who has more to gain from their use here?

    That question should lead us to be extremely cautious.

    While I hate Assads guts and hope he gets Gaddafi'd... I also don't want to support terrorists and it seems that's exactly what a fair number of these Rebels in Syria are.
    I agree.

    Assuming Assad used the biological weapons (it's hard to believe he'd be so stupid as to provoke Europe and the US that way for the dubious benefits of such weapons but if he did), then we may have to respond just to assert our current strict disapproval of such weapons, since they are hard to control. Some kind of air strike might suffice, or a no fly zone.

    The real problem is that both sides appear to be unpalatable from a western perspective. The opposition has a large jihadist element, and I wouldn't put it past them to use biological weapons against themselves (or civilians associated with other militias) just to blame Assad.

    Ultimately, sometimes it's best for a nation to have its own civil war (as we did) when irreconcilable disputes exist, in order for a sense of finality and unity to arise after the fighting is over. Iraq shows what happens when outside forces simply decapitate the bad guy leadership, and the bad guy opposition are left to fight it out with the good guy opposition (such as they were) because there was no common cause in ending Saddam's reign. If the jihadists and "democratic" elements have to fight together to remove Assad, they are more likely to reach some kind of accommodation afterwards. If we just take out Assad, it's Iraq all over again. I hate to see children and other civilians die in the civil war that now exists, but the alternative may be worse.

    Though 1500 people killed with chemical weapons. That's scary.

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Because Clinton was president in the 1990s and wasn't an idiotic boob like Bush.
    Yeah, I'd expect that kind of answer from you.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Syria posed no imminent threat to critical American interests and allies.
    And they are now? I'm really tired of America being the world's police.

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    People scoffed when Bush said Iraq was bypassing UN inspectors by moving WMDs to Syria...
    Jesus man, drop the defense of the boob, Bush. There were no WMD in Iraq, except those Reagan arranged to get to Saddam, and Saddam used those to massacre the Kurds. Syria has had the ability to make chemical weapons for years (it's not that hard), and Syria wasn't under sanctions like Iraq.

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    and I wouldn't put it past them to use biological weapons against themselves (or civilians associated with other militias) just to blame Assad.
    Well it's the embodiment of the phrase

    "The Ends Justify The Means"

    If you believe killing a neighbourhood of people with chemical weapons will ensure final victory for your side... there are those who see it as justifiable.

    In that case... its not unreasonable to speculate that a chemical weapons shell may have been stolen and fired from a rebel position.

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yeah, I'd expect that kind of answer from you..
    Yeah, the historically accurate response. I expect you to give the other kind. Meanwhile the claim that Syria got its chemical weapons from Saddam (i.e., Reagan) is simply false. So I expect you to repeat it ad nauseam.

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Syria posed no imminent threat to critical American interests and allies.
    Do they now?

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well it's the embodiment of the phrase

    "The Ends Justify The Means"

    If you believe killing a neighbourhood of people with chemical weapons will ensure final victory for your side... there are those who see it as justifiable.

    In that case... its not unreasonable to speculate that a chemical weapons shell may have been stolen and fired from a rebel position.
    Yep. I agree. If we are going to take action against Assad for deployment of chemical weapons, we better be very sure that actually happened, given the fact that it's hard to believe he had any reason to use them (he's winning the civil war - more or less - with conventional weapons) and given the fact that only the opposition would seem to benefit from it in terms of international support.

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    Re: 1,429 people were killed by a chemical attack carried out by Syrian Gov- US gov c

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    There is no way we will be effective as to the outcome of this by blowing up a few airports. We need to stay the hell out. Kudos to Parliament for keeping the UK out of Obama's Folly.
    Yes how noble of Parliament! I'm sure it had nothign to do with keeping their noses clean with elections coming soon.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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