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Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit[W:33]

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The way I see it is that Carter wants Carter Jr. (Obomba) to complete the Middle East destabilization process he started in '79, in the name of peace!

I do not see Obama as the drooling idiot Carter was. I agree Carter caused the Middle East mess we have now; but I do not see that Obama wants to do anything but make it better.
 
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2. We would be demonstrating that the use of these weapons warrants special punishment.

I am not sure as a taxpayer that it is my burden to pay for USA to be the police that punishes the tyranny of over 200 countries on this planet. The 200 countries are not asking me to shoulder that tax burden / asking USA to be the global earth police, the Constitution does not say I have to shoulder that tax burden of protecting the world from dictators, and I do not feel my children and grandchildren should be put in harm's way for a problem that is clearly an islamic issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with USA. If Assad is going to do anything beyond gassing his own people, he will certainly be going after enemies in Israel and Lebanon. So let Israel handle this how they see fit; and let USA just continue to sell weapons to Israel. If Russia wants to sell weapons to Syria, that's fine too. I personally feel USA weapons are much better than Russian weapons; so I think USA stands to make a lot more money. Plus Israel pays bills and Syria doesn't.
 
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I'd rather not get into my opinion as to why we should intervene more broadly in Syria because I think it would be distracting but there are a plethora of other threads where I've elaborated on that I could link you to.

1. I completely disagree. The President's credibility is the credibility of the United States. The question being asked across the region and in foreign halls of power is whether or not the US has the stomach to flex it's muscles after Iraq or whether we are fatigued. Even if we do little it is important that we show that we act.

2. We would be demonstrating that the use of these weapons warrants special punishment. Moreover we do have the support of Western nations, military support from Turkey and France, diplomatic support from the UK, Canada, and Australia, and potentially further military support if we chose to act. The issue is not our displeasure, it is that their usage incurs punishment that they can ill-afford to have repeated.

As I've said on other threads - two things - one, what is the purpose or end-game to be gained by this "show" of force? and two, what are the contingency plans for if and/or when, this show of force escalates into a full on outbreak of violence in the region because no President should use military force in another country unless he and the US are prepared to finish the job.
 
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I do not see Obama as the drooling idiot Carter was. I agree Carter caused the Middle East mess we have now; but I do not see that Obama wants to do anything but make it better.

That makes it worse. That means he is destabilizing the region with intent!
 
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In foreign policy that is gain in and of itself. Nothing is more valuable than credibility and fear.

If Americans didn't know it already, they should know it after this past week - Obama is neither feared nor considered credible by the rest of the world - that ship has long sailed and there's no way you can get it back until Obama leaves office.
 
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If Americans didn't know it already, they should know it after this past week - Obama is neither feared nor considered credible by the rest of the world - that ship has long sailed and there's no way you can get it back until Obama leaves office.
That's perfectly fine. He's not a god nor a king. It's the US that is the true basket-case, and everyone knows it.
 
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That's perfectly fine. He's not a god nor a king. It's the US that is the true basket-case, and everyone knows it.

No, America is not a basket case at all - it is still the strongest military and economic power in the world, with some of the most generous, brave, and aware people in the world, even with a dolt for President - most people in the world know this and will get over the disasterous Obama Presidency if a true, honest, dependable leader is elected next time around and not someone solely interested in what the Office of President of the United States can do for him/her.
 
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I'd rather not get into my opinion as to why we should intervene more broadly in Syria because I think it would be distracting but there are a plethora of other threads where I've elaborated on that I could link you to.

1. I completely disagree. The President's credibility is the credibility of the United States. The question being asked across the region and in foreign halls of power is whether or not the US has the stomach to flex it's muscles after Iraq or whether we are fatigued. Even if we do little it is important that we show that we act.

2. We would be demonstrating that the use of these weapons warrants special punishment. Moreover we do have the support of Western nations, military support from Turkey and France, diplomatic support from the UK, Canada, and Australia, and potentially further military support if we chose to act. The issue is not our displeasure, it is that their usage incurs punishment that they can ill-afford to have repeated.

First, idiot Obama, made the statement of the "RED LINE" he is the laughing stock of the world. He is so stupid no one can bail him out.
 
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36000.htm
"According to the source, Russia’s ambassador in the UN Security Council, Vitaly Churkin, presented conclusive evidence – based on documents and Russian satellite images – of two rockets carrying toxic chemicals, fired from Douma, controlled by the Syrian “rebels”, and landing on East Ghouta. Hundreds of “rebels”, as well as civilians – including those children on the cover of Western corporate media papers – were killed. The evidence, says the Russian source, is conclusive. – Pepe Escobar"
This is something I stated in another thread, that it is very possible the rebels have fired WMD; the source was a UN Official.

I brought this up because it is a little odd this has happened and nobody is asking where the rebels got their WMD, and if it was so easy to do so... IT JUSTIFIED BUSH'S ANGST THAT AFTER 911 SADDAM COULD HAVE PASSED OFF WMD TO TERRORISTS. Which makes the entire war in Iraq more than justified. Do I trust the Russians? No. But this is a second source along with someone with some say-so from the corrupt UN.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...-egg-all-over-their-faces.html#post1062238406

Nobody believed someone would or could fly planes into The World Trade Center buildings... handing off WMD is a much simpler task... don't you think?

I think you have him mixed up with GW Bush, the first moron. That was a clear and majestic example of failure. You're right that he is inserting himself into this Syria matter and is the only voice seeking peace and diplomacy. Maybe he's not a member of the war party. Don't you think? Not necessarily rhetorical.
As for the antisemite Jimmy Carter, he should shut his cake hole.

And Bush43 closed down a nuke black market. He rid Libya of their WMD programs and he liberated Iraqi's and the world from Saddam. After 12-years and 17 UN Resolutions... and after 911, all the morons of the world were watching. He gave Saddam one last chance, went to Congress and the UN and got approval, and when Saddam kept playing his games he did not cower like Clinton and Obama.
 
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This is one of the most racist drawings I have ever seen. Obama given monkey ears and monkey feet, and squatting like a monkey does when it goes to the bathroom. This post infers that blacks are not human, but are monkeys. I am going to report this post to the moderators.
Steve Bell is one of my favorite cartoonists, and this was by far my favorite during the Bush43 years. Though Bell is good, he sucks when it comes to leftists. Unlike Ramirez, who is a master of all seasons (because Leftist politics is mostly moronic), Bell only shines when someone from the right is in office. I find it hilarious this toon need not be altered one iota other than plopping Obama's mug in there.

Notice a similarity?

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This is something I stated in another thread, that it is very possible the rebels have fired WMD; the source was a UN Official.

I brought this up because it is a little odd this has happened and nobody is asking where the rebels got their WMD, and if it was so easy to do so... IT JUSTIFIED BUSH'S ANGST THAT AFTER 911 SADDAM COULD HAVE PASSED OFF WMD TO TERRORISTS. Which makes the entire war in Iraq more than justified. Do I trust the Russians? No. But this is a second source along with someone with some say-so from the corrupt UN.

Here's a little about the CIA's goombah, Prince Bandar. Gee, where could they get chemical weapons? If you have money, you can get anything.

Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

"

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.

Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.

More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.



Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.

Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.

“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.

“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.

“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.

“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.

According to U.K.’s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.

The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.

“They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout,” it said.

Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.

To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan.

The newspaper reports that he met with the “uneasy Jordanians about such a base”:"
 
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Jimmy Carter was a terrible failure as a President. But he's even more terrible at being an ex-President.
 
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Carter was a bumbling fool of a president with zero international skills. His incompetence and the idiocy of his meat puppet Z-Big caused Iran to be the dangerous country it is today. On top of being a clueless moron; he additionally is an anti-Semite and I believe any time he has an opinion involving the Middle East it is going to be something that is dangerous to Israel's safety. Had he been a fair and moral person with an intelligent foreign policy platform while POTUS, I would care more about what he thinks.

Everybody has an opinion.
 
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No, America is not a basket case at all - it is still the strongest military and economic power in the world, with some of the most generous, brave, and aware people in the world, even with a dolt for President - most people in the world know this and will get over the disasterous Obama Presidency if a true, honest, dependable leader is elected next time around and not someone solely interested in what the Office of President of the United States can do for him/her.


True, honest dependable leader, ha, good luck with that one!
 
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If Americans didn't know it already, they should know it after this past week - Obama is neither feared nor considered credible by the rest of the world - that ship has long sailed and there's no way you can get it back until Obama leaves office.

Yeah, that's the way to lead, brow beat fear into people. When fighting a monster one must guard against becoming a monster.
 
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This is something I stated in another thread, that it is very possible the rebels have fired WMD; the source was a UN Official.

I brought this up because it is a little odd this has happened and nobody is asking where the rebels got their WMD, and if it was so easy to do so... IT JUSTIFIED BUSH'S ANGST THAT AFTER 911 SADDAM COULD HAVE PASSED OFF WMD TO TERRORISTS. Which makes the entire war in Iraq more than justified. Do I trust the Russians? No. But this is a second source along with someone with some say-so from the corrupt UN.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...-egg-all-over-their-faces.html#post1062238406

Nobody believed someone would or could fly planes into The World Trade Center buildings... handing off WMD is a much simpler task... don't you think?


As for the antisemite Jimmy Carter, he should shut his cake hole.

And Bush43 closed down a nuke black market. He rid Libya of their WMD programs and he liberated Iraqi's and the world from Saddam. After 12-years and 17 UN Resolutions... and after 911, all the morons of the world were watching. He gave Saddam one last chance, went to Congress and the UN and got approval, and when Saddam kept playing his games he did not cower like Clinton and Obama.


NEW DELHI: The US suspected some Indian firms were assisting the clandestine missile programme of Iran as well as the chemical and biological weapon plans of Syria, according to US State Department cables released by WikiLeaks.

A cable from the US State Department on March 7, 2008, to its embassy in New Delhi pointed out that in October 2007, Washington shared with New Delhi information indicating that an Indian company, whose name has been blacked out by the WikiLeaks, "had offered French-origin, MTCR-controlled graphite blocks to Irans Ward Commercial Company", which had been involved on behalf of Shahid Hemmat Industrial Group, Iran's primary liquid propellant ballistic missile developer.


http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...183_1_graphite-indian-firms-ballistic-missile
 
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Jimmy Carter needs to fade off into the sunset, the man is a worse attention whore than Clinton...
 
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Yeah, that's the way to lead, brow beat fear into people. When fighting a monster one must guard against becoming a monster.

are you suggesting we throw Obama into the abyss? ;)
 
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Jimmy Carter needs to fade off into the sunset, the man is a worse attention whore than Clinton...

I suspect if he was advocating US aggression in Syria you would find him ever relevant.
 
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are you suggesting we throw Obama into the abyss? ;)

No Chez, not at all. His red line statement was a gaff to be sure, because when he made it, he had already had several failures at the UN. I mean to say, it was already evident, the UN was not going to issue approval, even for sanctions let alone use of force. So, I don't understand how Obama looks bad if he does nothing, when doing something would put him at odds with the American people, congress/the constitution and the UN/international law.
 
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No Chez, not at all. His red line statement was a gaff to be sure, because when he made it, he had already had several failures at the UN. I mean to say, it was already evident, the UN was not going to issue approval, even for sanctions let alone use of force. So, I don't understand how Obama looks bad if he does nothing, when doing something would put him at odds with the American people, congress/the constitution and the UN/international law.

Well, first I was just playing on the remainder of that Nietzsche quote. Second, Obama screwed the pooch. Anything he does he'll be damned for. I am against military intervention just so you know.
 
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Well, first I was just playing on the remainder of that Nietzsche quote. Second, Obama screwed the pooch. Anything he does he'll be damned for. I am against military intervention just so you know.

I'm glad your against military intervention. I'm not defending Obama by any means. He'd be in a lot better shape if not for his red line statement.
 
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