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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    I'd rather not get into my opinion as to why we should intervene more broadly in Syria because I think it would be distracting but there are a plethora of other threads where I've elaborated on that I could link you to.

    1. I completely disagree. The President's credibility is the credibility of the United States. The question being asked across the region and in foreign halls of power is whether or not the US has the stomach to flex it's muscles after Iraq or whether we are fatigued. Even if we do little it is important that we show that we act.

    2. We would be demonstrating that the use of these weapons warrants special punishment. Moreover we do have the support of Western nations, military support from Turkey and France, diplomatic support from the UK, Canada, and Australia, and potentially further military support if we chose to act. The issue is not our displeasure, it is that their usage incurs punishment that they can ill-afford to have repeated.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    So, short of anything practical to gain, we lob a couple bombs their direction so they will perceive we have the willpower do so?
    In foreign policy that is gain in and of itself. Nothing is more valuable than credibility and fear.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    In foreign policy that is gain in and of itself. Nothing is more valuable than credibility and fear.
    Sadly two things Barack Obama can neither claim nor muster, even if he lobbed a couple bombs their direction.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Sadly two things Barack Obama can neither claim nor muster, even if he lobbed a couple bombs their direction.
    Correct. Keeping his mouth shut to begin with and doing nothing would have left us in a better position, credibility wise, than where we find ourselves now.

    Keeping his mouth shut or not keeping his mouth shut and lobbing some missiles and a few airstrikes is the worst outcome for us possible.

    Ain't but one way to get the best results. And everybody knows it. But who wants to do that when he has not threatened us, not threatened to invade his neighbors, not shot at members of our military, no vital American or world economic interest at stake, no reliable willing partners to help us, and so on and so on? I'm against it.

    Having said that, if our congress debates it and decides it's worth it and the President agrees I'll back both 100%. And no matter how tough it gets when the bad days start rolling in, and they always do, I won't turn my back on our militarys efforts nor our Presidents efforts nor our congressional efforts as long as they remain committed to finishing what they decided was worth it to begin with.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That might have had some credibility had he remained silent instead of sniping at his successors and now even suggesting what the current President should do. His day is past but he refuses to recognize it. He should have grown old gracefully.
    No argument at all. Nevertheless he was a man of character.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    The way I see it is that Carter wants Carter Jr. (Obomba) to complete the Middle East destabilization process he started in '79, in the name of peace!

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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The way I see it is that Carter wants Carter Jr. (Obomba) to complete the Middle East destabilization process he started in '79, in the name of peace!
    You may be right.

    His peace initiative didn't help Anwar Sadat at all, nor the Israelis, nor those who were kidnapped or those who tried to free them.

    Nonetheless this history of failure has to repeat itself every generation or so because someone like Obama (as Carter) feel they can solve problems with their smile, charm and the 'let's all be adults about this' approach.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You may be right.

    His peace initiative didn't help Anwar Sadat at all, nor the Israelis, nor those who were kidnapped or those who tried to free them.

    Nonetheless this history of failure has to repeat itself every generation or so because someone like Obama (as Carter) feel they can solve problems with their smile, charm and the 'let's all be adults about this' approach.
    Anwar Sadat was murdered because he defied the fanatics of his country and actually tried to sign a peace treaty with isreal.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Anwar Sadat was murdered because he defied the fanatics of his country and actually tried to sign a peace treaty with isreal.
    He actually did sign a peace treaty with Israel and yes, the anti-Israeli Islamists got to him.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Really, it's not that bad to be on the side with Carter, on such matters he's always the calm head that wants diplomacy first. And despite Obama's campaign promises, the US has engaged in no diplomacy with Syria.
    Carter was a bumbling fool of a president with zero international skills. His incompetence and the idiocy of his meat puppet Z-Big caused Iran to be the dangerous country it is today. On top of being a clueless moron; he additionally is an anti-Semite and I believe any time he has an opinion involving the Middle East it is going to be something that is dangerous to Israel's safety. Had he been a fair and moral person with an intelligent foreign policy platform while POTUS, I would care more about what he thinks.

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