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This thread highlights the liberal doctrine of economics.
If you don't have enough money, then just print some more money so you have more money.
Hey, let's print a whole bunch of money, then we can all drive brand new Cadillacs!
Yeah.....no. There aren't "plenty of ways" to get out of these jobs. Upward mobility is essentially zero now; you can have a college degree, work training, the best work ethic around, and super-ability to do your job, and you'll still be lucky to just keep your minimum wage job. When nobody's hiring, there is always a downwards push to inflation adjusted wages, because employers can afford to take advantage of you; you're replaceable. As long as a good employee is replaceable, there will never be a true opportunity for upward mobility.
"then they have to get a different job"? What jobs? There are no jobs. I walked down my street the other night and saw about a dozen shops going out of business or already boarded up. McJobs are what's left, and we're fighting to make them better. Oh, I can't say for greengirl, but I voted Romney; I'm stuck with Obama either way, and I'm trying to make the best of it.
I spent 4 years of my life trying to better myself, I got the degree and the certificates and the internships and the work experience , etc. And...McJobs as far as the eye can see. My last minimum wage job took 2 months of communication, 3 interviews, and I still had to wait to be their second pick. It's ridiculous out there.
I admire people who work with their hands and particularly feel for people stuck on assembly lines and hot, sweaty jobs. Without those "people at the bottom" as many like to call them there would be no one in the middle or at the top. Society would collapse without the "salt of the earth" workers. And I can understand their wanting more. Most are probably worth it. Mandating it is another thing.
Look into a company called American Apparel and it's owner, Dov Charney.
American Apparel | Fashionable Basics. Sweatshop Free. Made in USA.
American Apparel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They make clothing in LA and pay over $30,000/year, compared to about $600 their competitors pay workers in Bangladesh. Management greed and incompetence is easily justified sometimes.
The average Walmart "associate," Wake Up Walmart reports, makes $11.75 an hour. That's $20,744 per year. Those wages are slightly below the national average for retail employees, which is $12.04 an hour.
American Apparel has decided not to outsource its labor, paying factory workers an average of over twelve dollars an hour and often more than $100 a day.
And then they will demand more money, because 15 dollars an hour is no longer a " livable wage".
I gave this post a "like" simply becuse you tried to show that "overpaying" workers can be done if you run a very efficient opperation, as you are still able to be competitive.
Saying that the "average" pay of American Apparel is 12$/hour is not saying that they pay their unskilled workers that as a starting rate, or that $12/hour is their minimum pay rate. That sounds like a lot when compared to $8.00/hr (CA minimum wage) but that is only $0.25/hour more than what Walmart, the favorite whipping boy of the retail industry, pays on average.
Read more: Walmart Employs 1% Of America. Should It Be Forced To Pay Its Employees More? - Business Insider
Yeah, but this guy (Dov Charney) isn't competing with people paying a quarter an hour less, he's competing with people who pay a quarter an hour. He's operating in LA, paying American wages, rent, taxes, etc. and competing against companies operating in Bangladesh. And making money doing it. How is that possible when an increase in the minimum wage in the US would bring down a whole industry?
He beats a drum about world-wide employment ethics- his point is, if you're not paying people in third-world countries a buck an hour, you're stealing from the world's poorest people. Hard to disagree with that one.
Outstanding Luther....I was just about to type something similar....:lol:
This thread highlights the liberal doctrine of economics.
If you don't have enough money, then just print some more money so you have more money.
Hey, let's print a whole bunch of money, then we can all drive brand new Cadillacs!
Lol considering Republicans are responcible for 70% of the national debt yeah it was Dems spending all the money under Regan, Bush1 and Bush2. Please stop with the conservative anti everything talking points. Americans have caught on to the whole lets drape oursleves in the flag and call ourselves patriots and do the direct opposite! That is why you guys cant find anyone decent enough to run. They get laughed at.
This thread highlights the liberal doctrine of economics.
If you don't have enough money, then just print some more money so you have more money.
Hey, let's print a whole bunch of money, then we can all drive brand new Cadillacs!
Because, unlike the garment industry, the fast food industry, like many others, is competing only inside the U.S. so unless they reduce costs in other areas, as American Apparel did, then they must raise prices to raise wages, which will negatively affect their market share. You look at McDonalds as a huge corporation yet he vast number of it's employees work for local franchises, so unlike Walmart (or American Apparel) they have little control over how their stores are operated - they do not make the food they only prepare and sell it.
American Apparel is not competing with Bangladesh except in initial garment production they are competing with other clothing retailers that do not all have wholey owned dedicated producers and designers and must give their producers, desgners, shippers, wholesalers and distributors their cuts of the action. Did you even read your own link to see where American Apparel "system" gets the savings to allow these "high" production wages to be paid?
Lol considering Republicans are responcible for 70% of the national debt yeah it was Dems spending all the money under Regan, Bush1 and Bush2. Please stop with the conservative anti everything talking points. Americans have caught on to the whole lets drape oursleves in the flag and call ourselves patriots and do the direct opposite! That is why you guys cant find anyone decent enough to run. They get laughed at.
It's certainly true that American Apparel competes world-wide. Imagine them selling Made in the USA clothing in Mexico, Brasil and Korea?
There's not much difference in the steps necessary to push a burger over the counter at a MickeyD's and the steps leading to a tee-shirt put into a shopping bag in an American Apparel store. The examples aren't apples and oranges.
I guess, bottom line, it's the workers at American Apparel who're competing with Bangladesh, not the company per se. And it's a mistake to say that the fact of overseas production is a liability for companies like Nike, Joe Fresh, Benetton, etc. They're not operating in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh for humanitarian reasons.
We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this.
BHO is already responsible for more national debt than any other POTUS, and on the day he leaves office on 20 January 2017 he will be responsible for more national debt than all other Presidents combined.:mrgreen:
I dunno, $15 to flip burgers and wear a headset seems pretty sweet, but let's not forget that if they get that, then people who actually do hard labor like masonry work, or anything of that nature surely would deserve much more than that, right? I worked as a bricklayers helper in the 80's got paid $6 an hour. Hardest job I've ever done. The going rate for an entry level laborer is about $12 to $15 as we speak. Think if McDonalds was suddenly paying the same, I suspect not many building would get built, or bridges spanned.
Think people, THINK, for the love of God, THINK!
Tim-
damn, heed your own mantra
think those construction companies are going to go out of business because their employees would rather serve fries that haul bricks? you must to come up with that foolish conclusion
think about it
damn, heed your own mantra
think those construction companies are going to go out of business because their employees would rather serve fries that haul bricks? you must to come up with that foolish conclusion
think about it
Is that sarcasm?
Tim-
damn, heed your own mantra
think those construction companies are going to go out of business because their employees would rather serve fries that haul bricks? you must to come up with that foolish conclusion
think about it
THINK about it for G_d's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, if the burger flipper makes more than the brick layers helper, then hell yeah...Higher pay, less physical labor.